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The Stigler-Brown Incident Animation #7896797
07/01/23 07:34 AM
07/01/23 07:34 AM
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If you have never heard of this story, it's a good one.

The Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler incident occurred on 20 December 1943, when, after a successful bomb run on Bremen, 2nd Lt. Charles "Charlie" Brown's B-17F Flying Fortress Ye Olde Pub of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) was severely damaged by German fighters. Luftwaffe pilot Franz Stigler had the opportunity to shoot down the crippled bomber but did not do so, and instead escorted it over and past German-occupied territory so as to protect it. After an extensive search by Brown, the two pilots met each other 50 years later and developed a friendship that lasted until Stigler's death in March 2008. Brown died only a few months later, in November of the same year.

Brown's damaged, straggling bomber was spotted by Germans on the ground, including Franz Stigler (then an ace with 27 victories), who was refueling and rearming at an airfield. He soon took off in his Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-6 (which had a .50-cal. M2 Browning machine gun bullet embedded in its radiator, risking the engine overheating) and quickly caught up with Brown's plane. Through openings torn in the damaged bomber's airframe by flak and machine gun fire, Stigler was able to see the injured and incapacitated crew. To the American pilot's surprise, the German did not open fire on the crippled bomber. Stigler instead recalled the words of one of his commanding officers from JG 27, Gustav Rödel, during his time fighting in North Africa: "If I ever see or hear of you shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself." Stigler later commented, "To me, it was just like they were in a parachute. I saw them and I couldn't shoot them down."[17]

Twice Stigler tried to persuade Brown to land his plane at a German airfield and surrender, or divert to nearby neutral Sweden, where he and his crew would receive medical treatment and be interned for the remainder of the war. However Brown and the crew of the B-17 did not understand what Stigler was trying to mouth and gesture to them, and so flew on. Stigler later told Brown he was trying to get them to fly to Sweden. He then flew near Brown's plane in close formation on the bomber's port side wing, so that German anti-aircraft units would not target it, and escorted the damaged B-17 across the coast until they reached open water. Brown, still unsure of Stigler's intentions, ordered his dorsal turret gunner to target his guns on Stigler but not open fire, to warn him off. Understanding the message and certain that the bomber was finally out of German airspace, Stigler departed with a salute.



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Re: The Stigler-Brown Incident Animation [Re: Finster] #7896816
07/01/23 08:03 AM
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Awsome, thanks for sharing Finster.

Re: The Stigler-Brown Incident Animation [Re: Finster] #7896832
07/01/23 08:16 AM
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One thing here is apparent, Franz Stigler was a soldier, not a Nazi.


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Re: The Stigler-Brown Incident Animation [Re: Finster] #7896852
07/01/23 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Finster
One thing here is apparent, Franz Stigler was a soldier, not a Nazi.

Very Well said

Great video...Thanks Finster


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Re: The Stigler-Brown Incident Animation [Re: Finster] #7896904
07/01/23 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Finster
One thing here is apparent, Franz Stigler was a soldier, not a Nazi.


A lot of them were just soldiers. I read a biography of a guy who fought on the eastern front. On the way in a train, they drove by an out post where prisoners were being abused, the commander stopped the train and had the offending soldiers arrested and locked up on the train. He did admit that they heard rumours of atrocities and began to see signs of them but just convinced himself that it couldn’t be. After the war he was rounded up by some Americans. Strip the shirt off to look for the tattoo on the upper arm. Luckily, the day he was to get his SS tattoo, he was excused to attend a funeral for a family member. It’s interesting reading books from the other sides view. The only bull sh!t ones are the Russian ones written while the wall was still up….complete propaganda.


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