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Horses #7902443
07/09/23 05:33 PM
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Was out at a friends Stables to shoe his personal Horses. Watched a guy trying to break a Horse. Watched him ruin it!!! I never thought that trying to Cowboy a Horse would be the thing to do. When I break mine I spend over a month just getting it to trust me by handling Brushing picking its feet and working him by lunging before I ever think about getting a saddle on him let alone get on and try to let him Buck and get scared to death. All of my horses are gentle and not a bit shy and spooky either.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902457
07/09/23 06:03 PM
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Some horses just like to buck. Will do it every time you get on. Some of the best cow horses are that way. Hancock bred animals are notorious for it.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902463
07/09/23 06:07 PM
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I don't like to jerk, whip, or spur on one out of anger. I have saddled and rode a completely green colts within 2 hrs. Gentle is only one aspect of the training. I've seen more people get hurt on "gentle" horses that weren't really trained. Trained to me means stops really nice at speed, reins really well at speed and responds to your cues without hesitation immediately. I've seen a lot of back yard pets that were gentle but rode poorly. For me gentle comes along on its own based on horses personality, experience and how you ride them. I train for response.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902468
07/09/23 06:08 PM
07/09/23 06:08 PM
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One of the most amazing biographies on horse training I've ever read was the life story of Monte Roberts. The world famous trainer, problem solver, who owns the Flag Is Up Farm. Travels the world helping the pros to re train and make great horses in all professions.

Monte's father was among the worst, meanest, beat 'em up types to exist. Who made equally mean spirited horses, and people alike. He nearly beat Monty to death with a chain as a youngster. He was also a policeman for a time, and treated his fellow LEO's the same way. Everyone disliked him.

True cowboys aren't even close to being that way. Good cowboys respect and want horses to be their work partners. Not something to fear and hate them.

No one can claim that Monte hasn't known the polar opposites of life, and ended up being a leader in the field of true horse training, not using the term "breaking". How Monte turned out to be so loved and emulated , in how he treats humans and animals , so opposite of his father, is a marvel to many .

Through time, others came to adopt the same techniques, Pat Pirelli, Clint , the Aussie, and others. The best horses in the industry are trained to do their job with motivation and happiness.

My father loaded gear on all our colts as they followed him from working in the arenas. They learned it was nothing to drag ropes, saddles, blankets, anything, draped all over them as he put them to work when they wanted to tag along at the barns. By the time they turned rideable, they took full gear, shoes, being tied up, handled, washed, loaded in trailers, as if they were old hands. They all loved him and their jobs as performance competition Bueno/King tanks . All successful winners in the show events. I play around and handle young foals as soon as they can stand up.

It surprises me to still hear of Troglodyte , less than successful attempts at handling any animal these days, with so much education in superior ways. That type of attitude usually rolls over into how they treat humans, too. A head's up.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902475
07/09/23 06:20 PM
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I will have horses again just not sure exactly how soon. I have not had any in over 20 years. At best I had pasture pets I could ride. I'm no horseman or trainer but want to be proficient. Problem is if I bought the best trained horses the horses well I need trained before I unknowingly create issues for it.
So I know and admit I needed training and getting good training for myself and family is the tougher part.

Look there I must be geting older and wiser. Isn't that something.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902477
07/09/23 06:27 PM
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Monte is a con Sharon. Above average horseman but a con.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902478
07/09/23 06:44 PM
07/09/23 06:44 PM
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Well I never heard how he is that. I read his book and have seen several videos on his training. They looked good to me, from what I observed.

Pat Pirelli , I've watched much more than Monte. Monte was just the first one I saw , doing some of the techniques that he learned , from other cowboys who were on the same path in training , that he wanted to emulate.

I'll just take your word on that one, YS. You must know something I don't, and that's ok. He was just one of the first guys that made a big enough splash in videos to be noticed. Many good trainers have put into practice similar ways to success , down through time. Done a bit different, in their own style, but with good results in the foundations.

Re: Horses [Re: Sharon] #7902479
07/09/23 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sharon
One of the most amazing biographies on horse training I've ever read was the life story of Monte Roberts. The world famous trainer, problem solver, who owns the Flag Is Up Farm. Travels the world helping the pros to re train and make great horses in all professions.

Monte's father was among the worst, meanest, beat 'em up types to exist. Who made equally mean spirited horses, and people alike. He nearly beat Monty to death with a chain as a youngster. He was also a policeman for a time, and treated his fellow LEO's the same way. Everyone disliked him.

True cowboys aren't even close to being that way. Good cowboys respect and want horses to be their work partners. Not something to fear and hate them.

No one can claim that Monte hasn't known the polar opposites of life, and ended up being a leader in the field of true horse training, not using the term "breaking". How Monte turned out to be so loved and emulated , in how he treats humans and animals , so opposite of his father, is a marvel to many .

Through time, others came to adopt the same techniques, Pat Pirelli, Clint , the Aussie, and others. The best horses in the industry are trained to do their job with motivation and happiness.

My father loaded gear on all our colts as they followed him from working in the arenas. They learned it was nothing to drag ropes, saddles, blankets, anything, draped all over them as he put them to work when they wanted to tag along at the barns. By the time they turned rideable, they took full gear, shoes, being tied up, handled, washed, loaded in trailers, as if they were old hands. They all loved him and their jobs as performance competition Bueno/King tanks . All successful winners in the show events. I play around and handle young foals as soon as they can stand up.

It surprises me to still hear of Troglodyte , less than successful attempts at handling any animal these days, with so much education in superior ways. That type of attitude usually rolls over into how they treat humans, too. A head's up.


Every one of our horses were either born on this Farm or brought here long before old enough to ride. Patience is the thing with Horses and Children. Now don't get me wrong, there are some horses that by trait are spooky and nervous and you cannot take it out of them. But our Rocky Mountains and Walkers have always been level headed and are gaited and a pleasure to ride. Arabians in my book are a problem and so are Mustangs unless several generations in captivity. I had one just adopted out that tore the Barn stall apart. When you got close to it he would walk on his hind feet and try to strike you with his front feet and Bite like a Rattlesnake. He would take chunks out of you. The Parents adopted it for their kids of all things. Needless to say it did not work out. It was shipped and we turned them onto a Gelding Walker 7 year old Broke and fun to ride.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902482
07/09/23 06:47 PM
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Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902485
07/09/23 06:54 PM
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Sharon i read his book too and enjoyed it very much and was a believer but have since seen stuff with my own eyes and have heard numerous accounts within the horse industry from people I trust that hes not honest. I believe his brother wrote a book that high lights Montes dishonesty. If I'm wrong about his brother writing a book I know for a fact his brother is very outspoken about Monte being a con.
I do believe he's a very knowledgeable and capable horse man by all accounts but I believe he has lied, mislead and severely overly dramatized things he's done, written and said for the gain of prestige and money.

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Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902486
07/09/23 06:56 PM
07/09/23 06:56 PM
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Good deal, Randall. There are good and bad in every breed. And very often, the result of someone not handling them as they needed.

I smile at your feel of Arabs. grin They are by far the most fun and successful rides I've experienced. Training many -or re training , for the owners. The hotter blooded they are, the better I seem to do with them. You're right...the person makes all the difference. Some traits can be toned down a lot, but it takes a lot of miles and patience. Among the most level headed horses I've ever rode, was a Spanish Arabian , endurance racer. Vinny. He won all over the western states in racing and best conditioned. He had the right training and years to be nearly perfect.

That's why it is good to have different types of people . Temperament and countenance varies with humans and animals alike. Only the human is responsible to alter their patience and educational levels, with the animals reflecting that back to them , as looking in a mirror.

Walkers of all types are wonderful rides. Life is too short to risk it and have little fun along the way.

Re: Horses [Re: Yes sir] #7902492
07/09/23 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Sharon i read his book too and enjoyed it very much and was a believer but have since seen stuff with my own eyes and have heard numerous accounts within the horse industry from people I trust that hes not honest. I believe his brother wrote a book that high lights Montes dishonesty. If I'm wrong about his brother writing a book I know for a fact his brother is very outspoken about Monte being a con.



I understand what you're saying. I'm just sorry things like this overshadow the good, the success, even coming from relatives. I have seen relatives be the worst ones to tear down their own...from reasons of a common origin. I would trend , if I even wanted to judge on this, experiences from the others you mentioned, in the industry. Anyone can point at anyone...that said, maybe valid complaints can have him change whatever it is , for better. All I look at are the good things I've seen done in video. And in trying some of them in life, to see it work.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902497
07/09/23 07:07 PM
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I've seen stuff with my own eyes he's done that I believe are a total sham.

Re: Horses [Re: Kevin Colpetzer] #7902501
07/09/23 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Colpetzer
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You're so right , Kevin ! grin

OK, Y.S.

Sorry, Randall....

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902504
07/09/23 07:22 PM
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I hate horses, but I love watching a good horse work. Most of the plantation horses are what I call trail horses. They’re easy to control, and just follow along. Clients get these horses and most can’t control them. They’ll lag so far behind sometimes the birds have flushed by the time they get there. Now this is with adults and even after me telling them to not let them have their way, they are in charge, not the horse.
Now put a kid on one of them, and they’ll be right behind the dogs, lol. Kids listen, adults don’t.

My son helps on quail hunts here when they’re not hunting at his plantation. He brings his own horse and it’s a sight to see. One of my proudest moments was one dog on a point and the other MIA. The have GPS collars and my son took off at a run to get the other dog. About 5 minutes pass and he comes back at the same speed he left with the dog over the saddle. The dog had hit a broken limb and had a stick in his side. The manage made a call and my son took off to the nearest gate to meet the vet. As we were finishing up the next covey rise my son comes back and resumes his duties. The way a good horse runs and the rider just sits like the horse is not even touching the ground is just a beautiful sight to me.
(Dog was fine and back in his kennel by the next day, but sat out for a week)

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902557
07/09/23 08:34 PM
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I have elk hunted horse back, followed hounds on them, but how in the world do you quail hunt horseback?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902605
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[quote=randall brannon]Arabians in my book are a problem [quote]

Jesus came from the land of Arabians which is why he probably chose to ride a Donkey.

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Re: Horses [Re: danny clifton] #7902644
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I have elk hunted horse back, followed hounds on them, but how in the world do you quail hunt horseback?

I'm assuming u would ride to pointed birds then dismount and shot. Anyone that can hit a quail off a horse with any consistency I'd be darn impressed with. I've shot off of a few horses but couldn't hit a thing. Dart a fair number of cattle with a pneumatic gun every year but that at less that 10 yds. As I get older I could get back into quail hunting if I did it horse back.

Re: Horses [Re: randall brannon] #7902665
07/09/23 11:19 PM
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Randall the Ray Hunt method is time tested and if you start to understand some of it's principles the horse will tell you when it is ready for a saddle and then a rider (Yes sir is right, some take it fast).

Sharron, that's all I'm going to say for Yes sir. Like you, I understand the way Monte Robert's explains things better than anyone else. I can't even understand Australians most of the time. My mini me took to it at a young age.


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Re: Horses [Re: Leftlane] #7902747
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Randall the Ray Hunt method is time tested and if you start to understand some of it's principles the horse will tell you when it is ready for a saddle and then a rider (Yes sir is right, some take it fast).

Sharron, that's all I'm going to say for Yes sir. Like you, I understand the way Monte Robert's explains things better than anyone else. I can't even understand Australians most of the time. My mini me took to it at a young age.


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I use the Lyons method and I am happy with it. All of our horses are well broke and my wifes stud will mind even with her on his back around mares. But will automatically revert to his normal urges when the saddle is off.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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