Re: For Boco
[Re: wetdog]
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07/13/23 01:07 AM
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The summer heat and wildfire smoke sure is doing a number on some of you guys! Wow!
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: For Boco
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/13/23 07:54 PM
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I thought the crown land was tied up in REGISTERED traplines. Read before you type…hahaha
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: For Boco
[Re: Shakeyjake]
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07/13/23 08:08 PM
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I thought the crown land was tied up in REGISTERED traplines. Read before you type…hahaha Is Ontario the same as Manitoba or different as far as RTL's?
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Re: For Boco
[Re: wetdog]
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07/13/23 08:17 PM
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Boco
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RTLs allow the trapper to be the frontline manager of his resource,not some beurocrat in an office. There is no limit on how many RTls you can get as long as you are physically able to manage the fur on them. There is private land within the boundaries of RTls in some areas.The RTL trapper has to get permission from private land owners to trap on private land within or adjacent to his RTL under his licence..You can also sign up permissions anywhere in the province but you need a separate Residents licence for that. A landowner can sign up any qualified trapper on his land,however The RTL trapper owns the fur on any navigable waterway on private land up to the high water mark,not the private land trapper. A couple court cases,one locally,recently affirmed this.
Last edited by Boco; 07/13/23 08:31 PM.
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Re: For Boco
[Re: Boco]
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07/13/23 08:30 PM
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RTLs allow the trapper to be the frontline manager of his resource,not some beurocrat in an office. There is no limit on how many RTls you can get as long as you are physically able to manage the fur on them. That sure is a neat way of managing a given area. Down here it is a free for all and survival of the fittest when the fur market is booming. Been there and done that since the 70's. Chris
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Re: For Boco
[Re: wetdog]
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07/13/23 08:36 PM
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Some younger guys run several RTLs,some in different parts of the province. At one time I ran and managed 5 different RTLs. I trap on 3 right now,one as a helper. Some older trappers take on a helper to manage the fur on their line and help with the line maintenance in the off season. Often it is a family member or two but not always.
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Re: For Boco
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/13/23 11:07 PM
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If much of the crown land is inRTLs, then you don't get to trap anywhere you want. I bet some areas have more guys wanting to trap than there's land available to trap. I also believe, boco,you have said before that there is often quotas on some species. The rtl owner has to catch that quota. Is that correct? That can't be right because he has written over and over that they are free to do as they like in the Mother Land without permission and permits. If someone wants to do something up there on the Queens land they can do as they wish. Right?
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Re: For Boco
[Re: wetdog]
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07/13/23 11:43 PM
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Generally speaking,there is a baseline quota for RTl of course that reflects the carrying capacity of the land. Since managing a line is about optimizing the carrying capacity without harming the line,of course the quotas change from time to time to reflect what is on the land. trappers wanting to raise and lower quotas will bring in the documentation to the fur tech to adjust accordingly. The only species with a mandatory minimum(and maximum)is beaver,In NE ont there are Maximums on Marten fisher and lynx,all adjustable of course to reflect populations.All other species are open,except bear on some lines in the south.Some species are zero quotaed on some lines.Polar bear and wolverine are a couple here. Trappers wont overharvest nor underharvest because it harms the line and will cost you down the line.They would only hurt themselves. Some lines have open quotas on everything and no minimums.Of the 3 lines I trap 2 have open quotas-left entirely to the discretion of the head trapper. There are lots of vacant traplines,many more than there are trappers.That is why trappers have the opportunity to trap several different lines if they can handle it.Also a lot of private land trappers from southern ontario own RTL's in the north.vacant lines are advertized every year in each district for anyone wanting one.That is how most of the southern trappers got their lines in the north.Some lines are well developed and have everything you need from day one to harvest the maximum sustainable numbers.Others that have been vacant for years require a lot of work to develop the line to make it a valuable line.Trappers will pay an outgoing trapper to acquire a line that has maintained trails cabins and equipment.They are paying for the sweat equity in the line that makes it much more valuable than a vacant line.Vacant lines can be had for no more than an application and a trapping licence.Of course you will be doing a lot of work to make it a top notch production line that can produce maximum sustainable harvests.You will have to re cut or make new trails and build cabins,hang marten boxes.An aerial survey will really benefit a trapper that acquires a vacant line,since he has not had the opportunity to be shown the line by an outgoing trapper like if he was acquireing a developed line. Quite a few traplines have several people trapping and maintaining them,these are normally lines that have been in a family for several generations and are very productive well developed and maintained traplines. It is a real freedom paradise here in the north. There are lots of places you can venture freely and never see another person for years if you chose. Every year people wander off into the bush and are never heard from again.
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Re: For Boco
[Re: KeithC]
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07/14/23 12:18 AM
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Anyplace that forces people to say, "“I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors.", is not a free country, no matter what some of the slaves from there tell you.
Keith Youre clueless. There is a thread in here right now where in some states you are not allowed to even set a trap let alone catch skin and sell fur. You dont have the first idea what freedom is cause you never experienced it. You have been brainwashed to believe that being armed because you live in fear somehow equates to some false sense of security and freedom,its laughable.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: For Boco
[Re: Boco]
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07/14/23 12:43 AM
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Anyplace that forces people to say, "“I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors.", is not a free country, no matter what some of the slaves from there tell you.
Keith Youre clueless. There is a thread in here right now where in some states you are not allowed to even set a trap let alone catch skin and sell fur. You dont have the first idea what freedom is cause you never experienced it. You have been brainwashed to believe that being armed because you live in fear somehow equates to some false sense of security and freedom,its laughable. You took the oath naming yourself inheritable property when you became a Canadian. I can trap and sell fur. I dont live in fear. Having firearms has nothing to do with fear for me. What a strange thing to say. Why do you think Americans are scared? Keith
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Re: For Boco
[Re: wetdog]
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07/14/23 01:39 AM
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Awesome. Hear it all the time people are scared to go into the inner cities in the usa.
Last edited by Boco; 07/14/23 01:42 AM.
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