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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/15/23 11:22 AM
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"It's a hatter market. Everything you site has nothing to do with the amount or quality of underfur a put up beaver has."
I see, the size or the [quality ( density and length of underfur)] of the beaver hide has nothing to do with the total amount of underfur a beaver hide possesses to make felt. Good to know!
Last edited by Dirt; 07/15/23 11:23 AM.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/15/23 01:59 PM
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Steven 49er
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Mike, don't interject math into the conversation lol
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: Mike Kelly]
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07/15/23 02:37 PM
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"It's a hatter market. Everything you site has nothing to do with the amount or quality of underfur a put up beaver has."
I see, the size or the [quality ( density and length of underfur)] of the beaver hide has nothing to do with the total amount of underfur a beaver hide possesses to make felt. Good to know! Quality was never in his post. You think the hatter buyers at auction are losing money or don’t know what their doing? You think you really know more than them? "Quality" is the last word in my post. Looks like buyers AT FHA were paying $30 to $39 for 60" beaver and about $10 on small 40" beaver. Probably making better money on the smalls from a felt perspective.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: Mike Kelly]
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07/15/23 02:37 PM
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james bay frontierOnt.
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The size of a skin most certainly has everything to do with the amount of fiber available in the same weight grade of skin.
Dirt is also correct in that tanning costs for him(and me) to make articles from the smaller skins is prohibitive compared to having larger skins sent to the tanner for fur articles.
Not every beaver user makes felt hats. Like I said, it’s a hatter market! Square inches of fur has nothing to do with the amount or quality of felt that comes out once the beaver is processed. Weight and grade heavily factor in, but the hatter market is not buying those 1x and larger heavy skins from what I have seen. I get as many beaver tanned as either of you and am well aware of the cost. But people like us are not driving any part of the current market!!! Nearly all of the larger beaver at auction are worth more sold in the country to the hatter market right now. $46 2x-3x beaver at auction are right around $40 after commission and shipping charges. Those beaver should weight close to 2.5 lbs put up. Look at what some of the buyers are paying per pound, and your loosing money! On the ones graded heavy your breaking even. Hogwash. There is way more fiber on a XXL hvy beav than a SM hvy beaver,even though the fiber is 3/4 to an inch in length on both and equal density,its the size(sq in) of the skin that makes the difference. I get what Dirt is saying-you dont. And yes the higher prices the felters paid for beaver at auction has driven up the prices of the beaver going to the garment market because they have to compete with the competition for the fur. I have to increase the price of my beaver fur products because I need a premium to set aside pelts to tan since a lot of the tanner beaver are now higher priced at auction.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/15/23 03:52 PM
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One more year ..my guy tells me.
Then the market will be flooded again....then back in the crappah.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/15/23 05:44 PM
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So 9 bucks for an XS at auction,and about 4 xs equals about 1 xxl which goes for 40.
looks like similar price to me.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: Boco]
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07/15/23 08:47 PM
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So 9 bucks for an XS at auction,and about 4 xs equals about 1 xxl which goes for 40.
looks like similar price to me. More like possibly three xs equals an xxl. If you run the numbers you will see that the buyers paid around 5 cents a square inch for LM's and up and only paid about 3.5 cents a square inch for MD and Small.( Hammer price). It will get a little closer with fees.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/15/23 11:36 PM
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I guess I'm wondering if North America will ever produce the numbers of beaver it did a couple of decades ago or longer. Beaver trappers are dying out and not many new ones coming on.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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07/16/23 07:04 AM
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I guess I'm wondering if North America will ever produce the numbers of beaver it did a couple of decades ago or longer. Beaver trappers are dying out and not many new ones coming on. I don't think there will ever be numbers produced as in the past. Tman is a good indication. My guess is about 75% or more of us on here are 50+ years old. This is a snapshot of the aged NA trapper population. Once another decade passes by fur trapping decreases more and nuisance trapping opportunity increases...just like what has been happening. It's never going to turn around. Hate to sound so negative but trapping has been dying and will continue to do so.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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07/16/23 07:21 AM
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I guess I'm wondering if North America will ever produce the numbers of beaver it did a couple of decades ago or longer. Beaver trappers are dying out and not many new ones coming on. I don't think there will ever be numbers produced as in the past. Tman is a good indication. My guess is about 75% or more of us on here are 50+ years old. This is a snapshot of the aged NA trapper population. Once another decade passes by fur trapping decreases more and nuisance trapping opportunity increases...just like what has been happening. It's never going to turn around. Hate to sound so negative but trapping has been dying and will continue to do so. Unless the economy crashes and fur trapping becomes necessary for survival, I'm afraid you are right. I am teaching my grandkids though.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 08:57 AM
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Swamp it's been dead in the south pretty much since the late 80's when the traveling fur buyer's went out of business. Not alot of kids today going to get dirty scraping and drying hides even if price's were good. Im 57 so your correct, majority of us left are not spring chicken's anymore.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 10:13 AM
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Oregon used to produce around 10,000-13,000 beaver a year for the fur trade. The latest numbers I've seen from a couple years back are around 1000. Criminy, I alone am catching about 15-20% of the (Oregon) harvest every year.
So with an uptick in felt demand worldwide....are we capable of oversupplying that need?
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 10:25 AM
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Oregon used to produce around 10,000-13,000 beaver a year for the fur trade. The latest numbers I've seen from a couple years back are around 1000. Criminy, I alone am catching about 15-20% of the (Oregon) harvest every year.
So with an uptick in felt demand worldwide....are we capable of oversupplying that need? If furbuyers take most of the work out of it, probably. My guess.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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07/16/23 11:24 AM
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Oregon used to produce around 10,000-13,000 beaver a year for the fur trade. The latest numbers I've seen from a couple years back are around 1000. Criminy, I alone am catching about 15-20% of the (Oregon) harvest every year.
So with an uptick in felt demand worldwide....are we capable of oversupplying that need? No...I don't think there are enough of us to oversupply the current demand. That is why they are absorbing top grades of beaver into the felt market.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 11:25 AM
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If the price keeps rising the supply will keep rising.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 02:38 PM
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Cathryn, where did you hear or get the info on southern felt going for less than northern? I'd be interested to hear more about that.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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07/16/23 06:33 PM
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I don't think there will ever be numbers produced as in the past.
Tman is a good indication. My guess is about 75% or more of us on here are 50+ years old. This is a snapshot of the aged NA trapper population. Once another decade passes by fur trapping decreases more and nuisance trapping opportunity increases...just like what has been happening. It's never going to turn around. Hate to sound so negative but trapping has been dying and will continue to do so.
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
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07/16/23 09:06 PM
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Given proper monetary motivation we could still produce a large amount of beaver
Problem as I see it is lack of buyers and process capacity. At least in the lower 48
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Re: Will The Beaver Market Hold?
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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07/17/23 05:11 AM
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I guess I'm wondering if North America will ever produce the numbers of beaver it did a couple of decades ago or longer. Beaver trappers are dying out and not many new ones coming on. I believe it was stated in one thread a few weeks ago that at the peak,2 to 2.5 million beaver were in the market. Not enough beaver trappers left to produce those numbers.
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