Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
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08/02/23 11:42 AM
08/02/23 11:42 AM
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Scuba1
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A couple of years ago my neighbor had his place logged. I was on my way to Hilton Head when they walked what they thought was the property line. He was over 100 feet on my property and they tried to intimidate my missus. She had the Dog on a leash when they talked to her so i asked he to give the owner the phone. the short conversation I had with him went like this
Do you see the dog my white has on that leash
yes
Do you think you can outrun it
No
Better do what she says then because if the drops that leash that dog will turn your pants inside out with you in them.
Silence and the phone was handed back to my missus.
The two guys were ever so friendly after that and she had them pound in stakes along the property line where she pointed out they needed to be put with a survey map we had done in hand. Zero arguments and his property looks a complete mess.
If they had come over to my place as they had planned I would have had their heads on spikes along that property line
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7918828
08/02/23 12:55 PM
08/02/23 12:55 PM
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Posts: 16,150 Tennessee
Scuba1
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Its easier to intimidate a woman I guess than doing things the right way.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7918829
08/02/23 12:58 PM
08/02/23 12:58 PM
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Posts: 16,150 Tennessee
Scuba1
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But the prospect of having a 110 pound German Shepard rearranging the creases in their pants made them turn all Christian in under a minute.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7918915
08/02/23 03:17 PM
08/02/23 03:17 PM
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Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,553 Tug Hill, NY
Squash
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I was a logging contractor for over 30 years with a degree in Forestry. The last 20 years worked as a contract Industrial Forester for 2 of the largest Timber Investment Management Organizations in the northeast. (Close to 500,000 acres under management ). I would not sell any hardwood timber at this time, markets have taken a big drop. I’d wait a few months and see if they improve during fall or winter.
With that being said, Sounds like many here have a bunch of fly by night logging contractors ? Here in northern NY most logging contractors have cleaned up their act. Most are now NY State logger Certified, and are professional. After reading some of the posts here, I think most here do not know what’s involved in managing and harvesting timber. Having your timber harvested is simple, but the onus is on the landowner. They must deal with a professional contractor with references, have a iron clad contract where you address all of your special concerns such as payment schedule and job close out etc.., get multiple offers, and best to hire a consultant Forester who works for you.
Also, there are many factors that may dictate a wide swing in stumpage prices besides tree species. Timber quality, access, land operability, distance to black top and markets, etc..
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7918923
08/02/23 03:27 PM
08/02/23 03:27 PM
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mike mason
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Who job is it to clean up the branches from the trees mine or the logger?. Leave the tops for regen. Skidding out tops does a lot of damage to the residual stand of trees remaining after the harvest. The tops also protect the regen from deer browsing.
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Re: Logging
[Re: red webb]
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08/02/23 04:59 PM
08/02/23 04:59 PM
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Guss
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Cut and log it yourself will be much happier. Yeah I think so 200 for maples no I'll open the sky up.
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
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08/02/23 06:07 PM
08/02/23 06:07 PM
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BigBob
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Buddy of mine got hosed on a logging deal.
Make sure there's a hard start/finish date in the contract, And change the locks on the completion date. Is he gonna sell tops for firewood or worse let his friends, etc. help themselves? You can sell it yourself, or hire somebody to put it up. What about clean up? They can leave a swell of a lot of oil cans laying around and all those firewood cutters will load up the truck with trash and dump it on your land. Roads? Landings? Where and what condition will they be left in, Seeding after?
Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.
Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7919040
08/02/23 06:15 PM
08/02/23 06:15 PM
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Squash
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Cut and log it yourself will be much happier. Yeah I think so 200 for maples no I'll open the sky up. What species of maples ? Big difference in stumpage rates between hard and soft maple . I agree cutting it yourself, if experienced, you will be happier, if you can do it and stay out of the emergency room or worse , the morgue. LoL
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Re: Logging
[Re: 160user]
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08/03/23 06:18 AM
08/03/23 06:18 AM
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Eagleye
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Envision how you want it to look when they are done and include that in the specs. Tops scattered or piled? Skid roads anywhere or do you have places in mind for your management plan? A GOOD logger can really enhance your property. A bad one will nearly destroy it. I think this is sound advice- what's left in the woods is more important to me than what's in my wallet. I also traded infrastructure for timber last fall, put in a main logging road with fords and culverts and created more patch openings for plots so I won't have a good cord comparison, I structured the contract so net-net we weren't trading checks back and forth, Here's what I can tell you for this year, timber value is way down and the summer contracts that were recently issued to loggers are lean, that could be a leading indicator that winter mill contracts will be lean to nonexistent. I'm sure the swings form region to region are more dramatic but since you're in Wisconsin- I can't imagine the experience will be much different. I have more earth work to do but I'm not sure the current contract price will cover my cost if I trade timber for it this year. I thought that with all the wildfires in Canada - timber prices would be higher- just not the case, It seems like logging is going the same route as farming and consolidation is occurring where contracts are being shared or managed by fewer, bigger players. If your sitting on $1million of captial equipment that you can't keep operable.... the bills keep coming in when the trees stop coming down.
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Re: Logging
[Re: Guss]
#7919335
08/03/23 06:19 AM
08/03/23 06:19 AM
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Squash
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I was wrong the maples trees I have in the back are not 10". I have a 20" bar on my chainsaw if you start the cut in the front it can't make it to the back! So more like 15 25". Stump diameter means nothing, volume estimates are made at diameter at breast height,(DBH), approximately 4.5’ from ground.
Last edited by Squash; 08/03/23 06:20 AM.
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