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I've been taking Warfarin for quite a few years now due to my AFIB. Now, I've heard about this procedure called Watchman. Has anybody ever had it or know of anybody who has?
I've studied how it works for preventing blood clots that can cause a stroke. Just don't' know anyone who has ever had the procedure.


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I know this doesn't address your question but I read this article yesterday and found it interesting.

There Are Growing Concerns About Alcohol and AFib. What to Know.

By Neal Templin




Know the risks of drinking if you have had previous incidents of AFib.


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Every December and January, emergency room doctors see patients with Holiday Heart Syndrome, a bout of atrial fibrillation produced by heavier-than-normal drinking.

Now, there is growing concern that even moderate alcohol consumption can trigger episodes of atrial fibrillation—commonly called AFib—fast and chaotic beating of the heart that can lead to stroke and other health problems.

“The data for alcohol [and AFib] are quite strong,” says Dr. James Freeman, a cardiologist at the Yale School of Medicine.

People who had previous incidents of AFib are most at risk. A 2021 study by the University of California at San Francisco found that a single alcoholic drink doubled the risk of atrial fibrillation within four hours, while two or more drinks tripled it. A separate UCSF study found that as blood alcohol levels rose, electrical properties of the heart changed in a way that made it more prone to AFib

AFib is a common malady, but it can be quite dangerous. Because the heart pumps erratically during AFib, blood can pool and clot more easily. Those clots can go anywhere in the body, causing stroke, heart attacks, or organ problems.

“People with AFib are at high risk of stroke, high risk of heart attack, high risk of kidney problems,” says Dr. Gregory Marcus, the UCSF cardiologist who conducted the alcohol studies. People with AFib also appear to be at higher risk of dementia, possibly because small clots lodge in their brain, Dr. Marcus says.

Sometimes AFib comes and goes. Other times it can persist for days, months, or even years, causing discomfort and elevated heart rate. “Some people feel very uncomfortable,” Marcus says. “Others may not have any symptoms.”

Doctors sometimes perform a procedure called an ablation to treat AFib, threading catheters through a vein into the heart, and then using heat or cold to create scars in the heart to block the faulty electrical signals and restore a normal heartbeat.

Alcohol use is by no means the only risk factor for AFib. Hypertension, coronary disease, and diabetes also make the condition more likely. But alcohol consumption—along with sleep apnea and obesity—is one of the more modifiable risk factors, says Yale’s Freeman.


“One of the easiest things we can do is lose weight or stop drinking,” he says. “We know that reducing use of alcohol, or eliminating it completely, can be a potent treatment.”

What about people who don’t already have AFib? Is drinking alcohol safe for them? Doctors Freeman and Marcus say that heavy drinking appears to contribute to onset of AFib, and older Americans should be even more cautious about alcohol use. That’s because AFib rates rise with age. The rate is around 4% for those in their 60s, but can be as high as 10% to 17% in those over age 80.

It’s less clear whether alcohol causes AFib in light to moderate drinkers. Some studies have found links, but at least one well-regarded study found that low levels of alcohol—as long you weren’t drinking beer or cider—were associated with the lowest level of AFib risk.

“We really don’t know, there could even be benefits,” says Marcus, who doesn’t have AFib and drinks a glass of red wine at times with his dinner.

But for people who have had an incident of AFib, there is now little doubt that alcohol can help bring on more episodes. A 2020 study in Australia took 70 regular drinkers with AFib and divided them into two groups. One group continued to drink and AFib recurred in 73% of them during a 6-month study period. The other group largely abstained, and 53% experienced AFib.

“If someone has ever had an episode with AFib, and wants to do everything possible to minimize AFib,” Marcus says, “it would be to cut out all alcohol.”


https://www.barrons.com/articles/al...art-condition-ed07e4fd?mod=hp_RETIREMENT

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I've already had an ablation where they burned a scar in the right atrium to restore a normal heart beat. I had what was called an atrial flutter which involves the right atrium. That worked, but it didn't eliminate AFIB.

Warfarin is a blood thinner that must be monitored to maintain a safe level of blood viscosity for the prevention of a stroke. I have to go into the clinic for a blood draw monthly for a blood check.

Watchman is a fairly new procedure where they run a catheter into your left atrium. There is a pouch-like sac attached to the left atrium which, according to what I've read, is where blood clots usually form. A disc-like object is placed into this pouch which supposedly greatly reduces your chances of a blood clot. Plus, you no longer are required to take blood thinners.


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Pretty much right on John but you still MAY have to take blood thinners......but most don't.


Here's a cool animation of the procedure.


https://www.watchman.com/en-us/how-watchman-device-works.html


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The other concern is whether medicare will cover the procedure. The cost is around $25K. Something I'll have to look into.


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I've had an ablation and haven't had afib for 4 years. Have you considered another ablation? My doctor was very clear with me when I got mine done that a percentage of people require a second ablation to totally end afib.

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That's always fun !!

Good luck !!


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My mother-in-law has had one for about a year now with no complications. Medicare paid for it.

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Originally Posted by white17
Pretty much right on John but you still MAY have to take blood thinners......but most don't.


Here's a cool animation of the procedure.


https://www.watchman.com/en-us/how-watchman-device-works.html

Thanks White. Interesting stuff.


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Originally Posted by Hoosier71
I've had an ablation and haven't had afib for 4 years. Have you considered another ablation? My doctor was very clear with me when I got mine done that a percentage of people require a second ablation to totally end afib.

Atrial flutter and afib are two different things. In atrial flutter the heart beats regular, but faster than normal and more often than the ventricles. Afib is irregular heartbeat.
I had the ablation to solve the flutter problem. I was presented with two options. They could stop the heart and restart it which would cure the flutter, but it eventually would come back. Or, the ablation was about 90% effective for it to never return to the abnormal rhythm. I chose the ablation and the flutter has never returned.

The surgeon who did my atrial flutter is a specialist in the field of elctro-surgery. He told me the success percentage on afib ablation is between 27% on the short term and 63% long term for it never to return. It's also a more complicated procedure than the atrial flutter was.


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Originally Posted by JTfromWV
My mother-in-law has had one for about a year now with no complications. Medicare paid for it.

Was she able to stop taking blood thinners?


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My mother-in-law has had one for about a year now with no complications. Medicare paid for it.

Was she able to stop taking blood thinners?

Yes she was.

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