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White primer dip, wax? #7927183
08/13/23 10:44 AM
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I’m thinking about dipping a couple new traps with drags in white metal primer and then waxing them to be used for exposed bobcat sets when there’s snow on the ground. The goals being that the white will provide some camouflage and reduce absorption of heat from the sun, and the wax will prevent freezing up.
Does anyone do this?
Anything that makes this a bad idea?
Other suggestions?

Thanks for any advice.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927205
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I run white painted traps in the snow, I've used Rustoleum cut with acetone as is often recommended on here, but last year I'm not sure what was wrong with the paint I bought, maybe it had been frozen, but it came out all rough like spackle. So this year I am using a latex paint/primer in one. Cut it with water and dipped the traps in it, came out looking nice, we'll see how it holds up over the winter.

I've thought about waxing over the paint but haven't done it. I would like to but don't know if it would leave the traps as white, and it would be a pain to remove the wax completely in order to repaint when they need touched up. I wanted to get a powder coating gun and try that this year, but never got set up in time, so did the paint again.

You'll be amazed at how much less heat white traps absorb and how much less they melt out.

Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927212
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Thanks bearcat!
If I end up trying the wax I’ll report back on the outcome.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: bearcat2] #7927247
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
I run white painted traps in the snow,

You'll be amazed at how much less heat white traps absorb and how much less they melt out.

I've often wondered about that,I've seen where other guys do that in deep snow country but I've never met anybody or talked to anybody that's done it.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927742
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My black traps, even under two or three inches of fresh snow would absorb heat and melt out if the sun shone, even at quite a bit below freezing. Once I started painting them white however they will stay covered and even if a corner gets exposed it won't absorb heat and melt the rest of the trap out.

Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927754
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I have several traps that are painted and then waxed. Although they are painted dark green, I have never had any problem with the paint or wax flaking off. I might have to do a few in white now.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927768
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If you HOT wax over paint I'm thinking you are going burn that paint and end up with mess.
I don't see any reason to wax over the paint. It's a lot easier to re do your paint job if you don't have to first remove the wax.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: The Beav] #7927848
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Originally Posted by The Beav
If you HOT wax over paint I'm thinking you are going burn that paint and end up with mess.
I don't see any reason to wax over the paint. It's a lot easier to re do your paint job if you don't have to first remove the wax.

Mine have been hot waxed and as stated, no problems.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7927891
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Are you melting your wax on top of water or immersing your painted traps In pure heated wax?
If It works for you great but I would have thought that 200 degree wax would have had some effect on the paint.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: The Beav] #7928108
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Are you melting your wax on top of water or immersing your painted traps In pure heated wax?
If It works for you great but I would have thought that 200 degree wax would have had some effect on the paint.


Pure wax. Just make sure the paint is fully cured first or I can see problems like your talking about.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7928354
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Shifting topics slightly.

Bearcat (or anyone) - Everyone talks about solid trap bedding, no wobble, how can you do that in snow on frozen ground? Seems like packing snow around would just lead to a frozen down trap. Or do you just hope they step in the right spot the first time?

Thanks again!


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7928399
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I put wax paper under the trap, then press the trap down into the snow, wiggling it a little as I press it down. Similar to bedding in sand. Depending on snow conditions you might have to either add snow under the trap and pack it before bedding (light fluffy snow) or actually fluff the snow some so the trap will press down in it (frozen nasty snow, or very wet snow). You have to adjust to the exact conditions, but generally I find bedding traps in snow faster and easier than bedding them in anything but pure sand. Unfortunately around here you get lots of practice at it, because it either dumps snow over your sets or rains in the snow and melts it off regularly, so you are constantly remaking snow sets.

To an extent you hope they step in the right place the first time, because even if it is bedded solid so it doesn't rock, you can't pack snow over the trap or it will freeze into a block, so if they step on the jaws or lever it is going to feel different than the surrounding snow. Honestly haven't had much issues with that however.

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Thanks bearcat, much appreciated


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7928421
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I would NOT paint drags white and then use them in snow lol. A lot of the trappers in this country who use drags paint them fluorescent pink or orange to help locate an animal. Bobcats are not bothered by it, not even a little.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7928424
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And for the bedding, in an exposed set, just use pencil size sticks under your levers. Holds it up off the ground and helps keep it from freezing, and it sets on there pretty solid. Solid enough anyways, you’ll be guiding so heavily that stepping on the jaws or levers isn’t really a concern.


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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7928426
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Good point Bob.
Maybe I’ll dip the trap and a few feet of chain white, leave the rest au-naturale.

And thanks for the bedding advice.

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Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7932114
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I thought about wax temperature the other day 'cause I'll be waxing this week.

Here's what I Googled.
Paraffin wax is solid at room temperature and melts between 120°F and 150℉. This wax type is colorless and appears slightly translucent or white in its solid state.

If you get wax too hot it will smell burnt.

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Don't ask me what the mumbo-jumbo behind the 150 is. I simply changed font color using the toolbar.

Re: White primer dip, wax? [Re: Average Joe] #7932169
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A bit different....I used Andy Stoe's White Speed Dip for a few years and didn't have any issues. The dip was cut like I usually cut my petroleum based dips...6 to 1 and worked fine. It was thin but it blended the traps well.
As as far as bedding, I used a heavy hammer and pounded out trap bed and then placed plastic down in the trap bed wriggled the trap down solid, plastic covering over pan then brushed snow to cover. Slick.

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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Thanks bearcat!
If I end up trying the wax I’ll report back on the outcome.


Update.
Waxed these painted traps today and they turned out pretty good.
I was surprised and disappointed though that after a month I could still smell paint. Not sure if I did something wrong? Will be used for bobcat so shouldn’t be a big deal, but to would like to learn.


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