Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927556
08/13/23 08:13 PM
08/13/23 08:13 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I did not. That was done by a young man in our praise band. You are right, he is very talented but he struggles and I wish he didn’t. When I saw it, I was wondering how long it would take to do something like this. I’m glad you checked in Ms. Sharon. Here is another, how much time goes into something like this? ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/08/full-9686-185690-img_4317.jpeg)
Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 08/13/23 08:13 PM.
-Goofy
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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08/13/23 08:33 PM
08/13/23 08:33 PM
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Aliceville, Kansas 45
Yukon John
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You'd be surprised at how quickly an artist can do something like that. Not sure how he shades, but you can do alot with a wet finger in a little bit of time! VERY nice!
Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927615
08/13/23 08:54 PM
08/13/23 08:54 PM
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Joined: Mar 2011
Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
Sharon
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You can ask him how long some of his work takes. It all depends on the person and their experience in years. To me, that wouldn't matter, unless one is being paid on a strict time deadline.
Just having fun, learning technique, etc, all the time one needs to feel relatively good about what they've done is fine.
Presently, I have been earning my keep in running with horses , the big dogs of the industry , on human portraits . Learning and refining my own style in techniques on the amazing details of the human form.
Your friend's images are very well done. Every artist is their own worst critic, or should be, in that elusive balance to be motivated to do better, without becoming so disheartened that they quit.
Humans are among the most challenging subjects to do, much less for a relative beginner. On the other hand, the sooner they dive into the remarkable world of the human form, the faster they will master it in time.
Graphite pencil is perfect to start out with. The enjoyment of blending, accenting, shading, all done in B&W, is a good way to focus on values , and not have the added stress of also blending colours.
Tell him all of us go through these difficult times, then a breakthrough, soaring motivation, then leveling off to more refinement in their own style , over time.
Also, if he takes breaks away from an image, that helps rest the mind and eyes , to see it fresh later , then things can jump out at him that needs attending to or changing.
Decent materials and tools make life in anything better. If your tools are low quality, that makes the job more difficult.
Decent lighting is a must. I use a mix of more fluorescent AND regular yellow bulb trac lighting. Along with working in daylight near a window helps a lot.
I work both on a flat desk surface, and a slight incline adjustable surface.
One more strange thing I find really does it for the final finishing touches...or even mid way. Ill scan my image at any point , put it on my Mac screentop, and just casually gaze at it. Leave it there for a time as you work. Its amazing how things jump out to me that I need to tweak or change on a scanned image, that I dont so easily see in the original. Happens every time. Sometimes with small images, being able to see that scan in a zoom mode can really help to see where I need to make changes.
But to be reasonable in all that, and dont stress too much over a subject. Theres a time to call it DONE, despite the nagging irritant that it could...should be better.
Just enjoy the process , and dont pick yourself to death...or try not to.
Believe me....that kind of whip cracking, disciplined stress will have to be dealt with as he gets to the chapter in his life where others hire him for art.
Other images done for fun, he can happily sell when others like it and want to purchase them.
In a nutshell. Just have FUN.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927680
08/13/23 09:53 PM
08/13/23 09:53 PM
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That kid has talent.He has an eye to do something both simply,,but detailed.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7927690
08/13/23 10:10 PM
08/13/23 10:10 PM
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Northern Mn
rick olson
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Northern Mn
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Well said Sharon,back when I drew and did scratchboard,people would want to buy some of my art and I did sell a fair amount back in the 90's.Some art I could do in 4 to 5 hours,others took longer,people always asked why I didn't do 5 to 10 subject per week and sell them.I told them I wasn't interested in drawing full time and I couldn't just pump art subjects out,I enjoyed the process,but didn't want to make it a job.I did art work for the quite and relaxing time it brought me I guess.I should start drawing again in the winter months when I have more spare time,we'll see.Your friend does a great job on the human portrait which is a hard subject,his shark picture was very nice also,I wish him well in what ever he does ,he has a lot of talent.
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Re: Just Pencil and Paper
[Re: Wanna Be]
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08/14/23 11:01 AM
08/14/23 11:01 AM
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Joined: Dec 2008
Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
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Joined: Dec 2008
Eastern Shore of Maryland
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You can ask him how long some of his work takes. It all depends on the person and their experience in years. To me, that wouldn't matter, unless one is being paid on a strict time deadline.
Just having fun, learning technique, etc, all the time one needs to feel relatively good about what they've done is fine.
Presently, I have been earning my keep in running with horses , the big dogs of the industry , on human portraits . Learning and refining my own style in techniques on the amazing details of the human form.
Your friend's images are very well done. Every artist is their own worst critic, or should be, in that elusive balance to be motivated to do better, without becoming so disheartened that they quit.
Humans are among the most challenging subjects to do, much less for a relative beginner. On the other hand, the sooner they dive into the remarkable world of the human form, the faster they will master it in time.
Graphite pencil is perfect to start out with. The enjoyment of blending, accenting, shading, all done in B&W, is a good way to focus on values , and not have the added stress of also blending colours.
Tell him all of us go through these difficult times, then a breakthrough, soaring motivation, then leveling off to more refinement in their own style , over time.
Also, if he takes breaks away from an image, that helps rest the mind and eyes , to see it fresh later , then things can jump out at him that needs attending to or changing.
Decent materials and tools make life in anything better. If your tools are low quality, that makes the job more difficult.
Decent lighting is a must. I use a mix of more fluorescent AND regular yellow bulb trac lighting. Along with working in daylight near a window helps a lot.
I work both on a flat desk surface, and a slight incline adjustable surface.
One more strange thing I find really does it for the final finishing touches...or even mid way. Ill scan my image at any point , put it on my Mac screentop, and just casually gaze at it. Leave it there for a time as you work. Its amazing how things jump out to me that I need to tweak or change on a scanned image, that I dont so easily see in the original. Happens every time. Sometimes with small images, being able to see that scan in a zoom mode can really help to see where I need to make changes.
But to be reasonable in all that, and dont stress too much over a subject. Theres a time to call it DONE, despite the nagging irritant that it could...should be better.
Just enjoy the process , and dont pick yourself to death...or try not to.
Believe me....that kind of whip cracking, disciplined stress will have to be dealt with as he gets to the chapter in his life where others hire him for art.
Other images done for fun, he can happily sell when others like it and want to purchase them.
In a nutshell. Just have FUN.
Asked and answered, the shark was a 2 day project. I’m sure someone somewhere could find faults in those, but that Chic pic looks like a B/W photo! I hope that kid is in a higher learning school of art somewhere. I believe his talents could take him places if they haven’t already. I do not believe he is enrolled in college, he works two job through the week and a family produce stand on the weekend, is very introverted.
-Goofy
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