Paul, Thank you for your "tolerance" and delay in snubbing my spontaneous provocations of thought while participating on that Hanson thread. I'll be honest with you. Once in awhile I get a little sloppy, especially in the light of a full moon on approach letting me see my shadow in the dark.

When that happens, I am under its full influence in the creative juices department - I was hatched under it on July 13, 1942 at 1:30 that morning. Over my tour of 66 years hence, the gravitational pull from that electro magnetic gravitational pull significantly alters my behavior - good, bad or indifferent, especially after my attempt to arrest my flawed compass is influenced by my indulgence in rescue - usually a quota of 8-10 pints of beer at the local pub over about 3-4 hours while in session.

Even when sober, my ink dribbled here is unabridged, and not "politically correct" as the world is in the embrace of that sensitive weave - not sure what that ultra sensitivity is all about. Maybe I am too old to gork that part.

Anyway, thank you for your kind considerations in the traces. It is perfectly okay to be flawed - we all own it while in residence on this planet, as long as we do not bash, get mean, toxic and nasty out of disrespect for the the otherness of others. My burp was marginal in every poke and drop to color with my chalk - way outside of the lines.

Jonathan

Jonathan

Buzzy, I invented "409," but have never used it since I got it patented to rub anything with since - that was big bucks for the short term.

My go to cleaners in the house are WD-40, Comet, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, Old English and Avon's Skin So Soft.

Never made much money after my patent ran out - the Chinese inhaled that opportunity without asking. Can you imagine? That was repulsive to me, but after that I still change my own diapers on my schedule, not theirs. And, I pee alot after my cancerous prostate gland was thugged 9 years ago. It all Depends on how one one looks at life while on the trail!

Jonathan

Jonathan, in the true spirit of Trapperman, I'll agree with you, but be careful about which color chalk you use. Some may think it is too bright, or too dull, or too muted, or phyriesadellic. But also in the true spirit of those who post on Trapperman, I'll have to tell you that your obsession with the pull of the full moon is spooky and people need to give this wide berth when considering derogatory comments.

I can't comment cause that went right over my head Jonathan

Say what ???????????

Good to see you back on here Damien (Empirebuilders). You give QUALITY information without a doubt.

I would urge all of you, at least those who are my competition, to never listen to Braveheart If you live within 50 miles of my house all information that Braveheart will give you is BAD information

Now go buy some hot dogs and trap some coyotes.

Thanks k9 i am going to try and be on here more often. It seems in the past i would only get on during the season but ill try my best to change that
Damien

Buzzy, the number of products I have tested on captive coon during EVERY time of year would make your head spin. I have found attractants that I have never heard of anyone using. Of course coons interest change from month to month. Sometimes from day to day. That my friend is elementary. LOL

Where do you keep coming up with this "smart" factor. A coons grey matter (or lack there of) has absolutely nothing to do with what turns them on.

Dave in your experince do coon go harder for things mainly foods that are not part of their normal diet, like apples or the smell of them on a coon thats been eating frogs for a month will he go crazy or shy back.

I save all the left over hot dogs from summer weinny roasts and string a thread thru them, hang em in the shed all summer to dry out. Then store in zip lock bags and break off a piece at the set. Hundred of thousands a coon over the years. I used to sell that formula for $100.oo but will share it here free in the spirit of Trapperman!

One of the things I found interesting about Charlie Dobbins, in fact it changed the way I related to, or treated, other trappers was his willingness to share information. It didn’t matter what the subject was, as long you didn’t try to BS him he was straight up with you.

The only thing I never heard him tell was his lure formulas but he would discuss different ingredients and several times ingredients worked [their] way into conversations regarding other matters. Much to my regret in these later years I didn’t go there, back then I just wasn’t interested in ‘that’.

The willingness to share information on a forum hosted by his son is one of the best tributes that we can give a man that supported and promoted trapping in so many ways.

Ace Lenon has shown he shares Charlie’s philosophy with his many posts no few of which concerned different ingredients and their attractiveness to different animals.

Scott Huber used to do the same, one of which comes to mind was minty smells for babcat.

I have seen Mr. Pedersen comment with regard to different ingredients and preparation methods.

Way back in the beginning of the forum, before his free time was vacuumed up, Paul Dobbins commented on different ingredients and posted some formulas.

These gentlemen did not allude to some ingredients that were superior, or inferior, they named them.

If one wants to make a point regarding the efficacy of certain ingredients they should have the confidence to name them and let the legions of trappers that read those boards put them to the test.

If you’re gonna talk the talk walk the walk.

For example, as simple as it may seem, beaver castor is deadly on raccoons (and bobcats).

Beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor beaver castor

Fish. Oily Fish. Use a big chunk, gob or smear, the size of your fist. I learned this from Bud Hall – a big bait makes a big smell. You are wasting gas if you are putting a little bit of plain fish down.

Fish with beaver castor mixed such that one time you smell it - you smell the fish kinda sweet, the next time you smell it - you smell the castor kinda fishy.

Peru Balsam is a good fixative and cranks a raccoons tail.

I got some stuff in Chem lab, benzaldahyde, that seemed to really pull them in but the scent didn’t last.

Muskrat glands – really what needs to be said? At $8 coons too expensive, at $40 coons ???
Muskrat glands or castor I have found to be a year round attractant to raccoons though there are a couple others I think are more effective during breeding season.

Mike Marsyada’s coyote gland lure is death on raccoons during breeding season.

Jim Helfrich had a bobcat gland lure that a raccoon would work to get at during breeding season.

Nick Wyshinski had this urine/gland mixture that was very effective during breeding season.

Shellfish oil. I found that shellfish oil that was diluted was extremely effective. But again back in the beginning of time the smell of uncut shellfish didn’t last that long if it was stored in a plastic bottle.

Carboxlic Acid – the stuff bee keepers used to use, after I was told about this I got some from a beekeeper that wasn’t keeping anymore.

Phenylacetic Acid I believe it is ‘related’ to Cabroxlic Acid.

Civet – this stuff is death on coons and canines.

Valerian Oil - all yeah baby, this is good stuff

I mentioned the above lure makers only because those are the ones with which I had experience and it is not meant to be a reflection of any sort on those not mentioned.

Heimbrock you must type better than me but glad you took the time good info. Post like yours help are worth saving.

Heimbrock, Now theres some of the good stuff!! Thanks for an excelent post! Kinda like "the shot heard round the world"!
Troy

Mr. Buzzard,

breath,

Sir, At this point in time I have no 550s.

Hope all goes well with you and yours.

Heimbrock

Mr. CoonDuke,

Been awhile.

Hope things are working out for you with regards to the job you were seeking and it isn’t interfering with any pursuits whether they be 4 legged or 2 . . .

Thanks for the four-eleven on the benzaldehyde.

Hopefully the other constituents in the bitter almond oil will give it some longevity as it lost its ‘power’ quickly on test strips, at the set and in the bottle once it was opened.

Mr. Coon Duke,

An apology.

I thought you were someone else when I replied to you on the Hanson bait thread regarding benzaldehyde.

I absolutely meant no harm. Quite frankly I've no clue who you are in the 'real' world.

You have a knowledge of the chemical ingredients used in lures that I find insightful and refreshing.

Thank you for replying to me.

Heimbrock

Are you sure about that? I have some shellfish oil that has been stored in the plastic bottle it came in 5 years ago, stored at room temp and it is still as strong as the first day I opened it. I think it all depends on what it is cut with. Alot of suppliers cut shellfish with fish oil, this is a death sentence to the shellfish oil. My dad has a bottle of "shellfish oil" he bought a year ago and stored the same way as the stuff I got for him 5 years ago, same stuff as mine, The stuff he bought last year smells just like fish oil while the other bottle is still as strong as ever. I don't know the best oil to cut shellfish oil but I think it would probably be olive oil, peanut oil, ot canola oil. Kind of the same concept and skunk essence, mix it with the wrong oil and it won't last more than a few months.

wish i could find a lure they didnt like when i BOBCAT trapping.