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Critique time #7936449
08/25/23 09:46 AM
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Ok, I’ll have plenty of pics for those that don’t like to read.
Saw a coyote the other night hog hunting and figured I’d see if I could put a set in with my hip like it is, so I didn’t shoot.

Went yesterday and found tracks and lo and behold the perfect spot for a post set. There was an old broke off pine from logging during early Spring and tracks up and down the logging road right near it.

Here’s the set…
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Now here’s how it was lured…Red/Urine Blue/Night Train Green/Coyotero
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And this is last night…

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And this morning, lol…
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So what did I do wrong or should’ve done different? I started to go and place another set, but decided to leave it and see what happens over the next few nights. Plus it took a lot to make that set…just ain’t quite there yet.

Last edited by Wanna Be; 08/25/23 09:47 AM.
Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936471
08/25/23 10:29 AM
08/25/23 10:29 AM
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By using 3 scents at the same test location you've made it so there is no way to decipher which scent if any is the most attractive and which the least. I strongly suggest making 3 separate tests sites with a single scent in or at each.


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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936478
08/25/23 10:40 AM
08/25/23 10:40 AM
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Just a coyote being a coyote. You miss ? So what ? He is a young coyote. He will come back in get caught. Is it killing ?? If not. No worries. Dont add anything. Dont set no more sets. Just catch em their.

Re: Critique time [Re: steeltraps] #7936577
08/25/23 01:02 PM
08/25/23 01:02 PM
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I thought you were testing rather than setting, my mistake. Too bad you didn't have your camera on video, photos miss too much.

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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936587
08/25/23 01:13 PM
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Yes sir I made an actual set. Mainly wanted to see if I could yet…3 weeks post-op. It was a little tough on me, but I got it done. Sorta humbling when you can’t get a pup to step where I need him, lol. But apparently one or both of the lures worked, seeing how he spent a little time there. Just didn’t step in the right spot I guess. Hoping he’ll be back and eventually caught. They’re logging the property next to us and that’s where he came from. Maybe they won’t run them off.

It will take video, but won’t send. I use my cell cameras so I don’t have to go around the area unless I make a catch.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936614
08/25/23 01:35 PM
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I would have made a flat set and punched two holes with my driver and used some lure in one and a q tip dipped in bait in the other.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936646
08/25/23 02:44 PM
08/25/23 02:44 PM
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Coyote being coyote I've used 2 lures before with good results,but sometimes there not interested in your offerings 2 sets is my norm sometime 3,4 dependant on sign.Good luck,summer trapping is different than fall they don't work a set as hard over at times,less foot movement unless there's something they really want.

Re: Critique time [Re: rick olson] #7936680
08/25/23 03:43 PM
08/25/23 03:43 PM
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95% of my sets I used 3 scents, proven scents that worked together in combination.
Originally Posted by rick olson
they don't work a set as hard over at times,less foot movement unless there's something they really want.
The key words here are “unless there’s something they really want”. I’ve proven in my area, that there are a few scents (lures & baits) that create high to very high levels of desire and attraction throughout the entire year but many, many more do not as mentioned in the previous reply. I have published videos showing this, in fact, in one late summer video 5 pups can be seen, trying to get what was in my test hole at the same time with the old female standing off to the side

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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936752
08/25/23 05:10 PM
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Two words you never say in trapping or hunting,never and always.Coyotes being a coyote,there will never be magic in a bottle or jar,lure or bait.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936766
08/25/23 05:26 PM
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Ok, guess I didn’t make my post clear. I’m not supposed to be kneeling, excessive stretching, etc…I just wanted to see if I “could” make a set. I found “the spot” from reading the Post Set thread so I made one.

You can see the “cleared” spot in the photo…trap. I was just wondering should I have placed it differently. I didn’t over block and tried to make it as natural as possible. Yes, if I was back to my normal self I would have had two traps there, lol. And probably another set on the other side to cover different winds. But unfortunately I’m not to that point yet.

The lures I used are lures I trust and have caught coyotes on before. I generally always use urine and a lure. Sometimes 2 like this set. As far as bait goes, down here that’s just asking for an ant bed before dark. If it was say 60 degrees cooler I would definitely have a bait at one set. Winter also brings rain and softer ground, right now it’s almost cement.

Seldom, you are correct, what lure is he actually interested in? Can’t answer that yet. I’ve caught on both by themselves so I’d say both, but in another 2-3 weeks I’ll put each to the test when I can start making sets. Doc wants me to hold off for now to make sure my hip doesn’t pop out of socket. I understand that’s quite painful, lol. I will say I watch your videos and rad everything you post. There’s a lure your test seems to perform in, but I never made a catch on it and neither did my son. Not saying it’s the lure’s fault, it was probably ours in our application. I may try it again one day, but so far I’m having success with Lucero’s lures. And that in itself, is interesting because the first batch I got to try out came second hand from a guy here in Georgia who told me they didn’t work for him. And he catches critters so it wasn’t his application.

Re: Critique time [Re: rick olson] #7936770
08/25/23 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rick olson
Two words you never say in trapping or hunting,never and always.Coyotes being a coyote,there will never be magic in a bottle or jar,lure or bait.

I never said magic in a bottle, I did say there were some lures & baits that caused a high desire and attraction all year round and most didn’t. If you haven’t ever found one or a couple, sucks to be you! I will say this though, there are lures and baits that are “magic in a bottle” compared to a chitload of others, maybe as high as 98%! There are a lot of “those who say it to the greatest magnitude” that there is no magic in a bottle as well but never tell you there can be lures and baits far, far better for creating desire and attraction than others and PROVE IT. I believe they keep saying it because they use it as an excuse for poor or mediocre performance of a scent of a lure or bait. It has to be the coyotes because as you know, coyotes are just coyotes!! LMAO!

Last edited by Seldom; 08/25/23 05:33 PM.

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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936802
08/25/23 06:14 PM
08/25/23 06:14 PM
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Sometimes it takes time. Picked up one today on a proven location that picked up two last year.

Day eleven from putting it in the ground. June's widowmaker and coyote frenzy.

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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936804
08/25/23 06:15 PM
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And I have no illusions that was the first coyote or time that set was visited.


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Re: Critique time [Re: warrior] #7936820
08/25/23 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
And I have no illusions that was the first coyote or time that set was visited.

Thanks man. There’s a few on here that give me hope, you and Steeltraps are two that do. It’s nice to see the experienced sometimes don’t catch everything the first time around.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936837
08/25/23 06:52 PM
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When I've tested on cameras the first time the animal visits the set is the most interested it is in the attraction the vast majority of the time. Haven't really ran cameras on traps so I can't say it's the same then.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936849
08/25/23 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Ok, guess I didn’t make my post clear. I’m not supposed to be kneeling, excessive stretching, etc…I just wanted to see if I “could” make a set. I found “the spot” from reading the Post Set thread so I made one.

You can see the “cleared” spot in the photo…trap. I was just wondering should I have placed it differently. I didn’t over block and tried to make it as natural as possible. Yes, if I was back to my normal self I would have had two traps there, lol. And probably another set on the other side to cover different winds. But unfortunately I’m not to that point yet.

The lures I used are lures I trust and have caught coyotes on before. I generally always use urine and a lure. Sometimes 2 like this set. As far as bait goes, down here that’s just asking for an ant bed before dark. If it was say 60 degrees cooler I would definitely have a bait at one set. Winter also brings rain and softer ground, right now it’s almost cement.

Seldom, you are correct, what lure is he actually interested in? Can’t answer that yet. I’ve caught on both by themselves so I’d say both, but in another 2-3 weeks I’ll put each to the test when I can start making sets. Doc wants me to hold off for now to make sure my hip doesn’t pop out of socket. I understand that’s quite painful, lol. I will say I watch your videos and rad everything you post. There’s a lure your test seems to perform in, but I never made a catch on it and neither did my son. Not saying it’s the lure’s fault, it was probably ours in our application. I may try it again one day, but so far I’m having success with Lucero’s lures. And that in itself, is interesting because the first batch I got to try out came second hand from a guy here in Georgia who told me they didn’t work for him. And he catches critters so it wasn’t his application.

I’ve tried to make it clear in my videos that just because a scent works for me doesn’t mean it’ll work for you in your territory and the opposite is also true, why? I don’t know but it is what it is! You mentioned the coyote didn’t step as you’d planned, take note and make the necessary adjustments because it was telling you exactly how to catch it in that particular set

Last edited by Seldom; 08/25/23 07:05 PM.

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Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936871
08/25/23 07:31 PM
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My question would be which way was the air moving at the set that night. If there's steep terrain or trees around it the air at the set might even be moving the same as the wind direction.

Re: Critique time [Re: Wanna Be] #7936893
08/25/23 07:53 PM
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Wannabe, my preference is to have a shorter “post” and put the pan about 5” out. One of my latest videos shows coyotes marking a rock that’s probably 4” tall. You can see how they straddle it, but their feet seem to stay around the 5-6” mark. When you use something small, be it a hole, rock, pine cone, etc you can’t get the pan too close to the attractor. They will step all over it. I’ve done the tall post thing before, but now if you see something tall by my trap it’s got a rub lure on it. I want to encourage them to go over the top of whatever it is because then you have the chance when they investigate the scent (front foot), when they go to mark (back foot), and sometimes they seem to turn around going back the way they came which gives you the front and back foot option again. With that said, the coyote appeared interested and you’ll probably catch him or another sooner or later.

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08/25/23 07:57 PM
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Additionally, after looking at the pictures the wind could have played a part in the miss as well as the direction the stick was leaning. If I’m looking at it right it appears as though he investigated closest to the point of the stick. That’s another reason I like small, fairly short posts. I want the scent they smell to be low so their feet will follow

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08/25/23 08:23 PM
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Yeah, I just rode up there in the truck and thought why not, lol.
I do have my trap back a ways from it and he didn’t mind walking all behind it either. Maybe I’ll get him, maybe I’ll snipe him, lol. Just wanted to try it since I saw him and had a camera to move anyways.

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