True, it is of Hebrew origin, but YHVH is NOT the same god as allah in the Quran. I have the Quran and have read it, and allah is NOT the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Islam was formed over 600 years after Christ's death. It is a perversion of Christianity at its best. Like I said earlier, all good and believable lies have some truth to them.

Savell in all seriousness he did heal all our ailments when his son died on the cross for us we just haven't been released from the hospital yet

The Muslims believe in the same God, who fathered Jesus and in Jesus and Mary too. Jesus is seen by Muslims as only second to Mohamed.







The Muslims are out of Abraham too and kept their grandsire's God.

Keith

I've read their bible Keith. Like I said earlier, I think it is a perversion of Christianity.

Who do you think they are referring to when they say again and again that they must "fight" and "break" the pig and the cross? Whole religion is an evil, vindictive, scam conjured by the the prince of the world himself IMO.

Chancey, Jesus is the person the Muslims say will do that. The cross represents death in Islam the same as Christianity.

"Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)."

Keith

Savell

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You do realize that without a core belief , you wander , like the Philistines did for 40 years in the desert .
Without any direction you wander from thought or feeling to the next.
No direction or commitment to self or life in general.
There has to be a core belief for you to be who you are.
Weather or not it's in your mind religious or not, you have a core belief.
I don't care if you think you're a mountain man from 1700's , you need to believe in yourself of something.
There has to be a drive of some kind to make you who you are.
Everyone is different , there's no set rules on how you think or behave.
It's free will to chose .
God is not a dictator , you live your life as it is , no influence other than what you believe.
God doesn't cause cancer or anything to cause you or yours pain or death.
He just gave you life , and man has thrown a wrench into that with abortion .
Free will as to what you do or believe , so is it easier to blame God for things that happen?
I don't know , but there's something that gets you going everyday.

Respectfully Keith, you and I read the Quran differently.

There are a lot of it that seems poetic and Jesus spoken, but a lot is evil as all get out. You will never convince me that they serve the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the lineage of King David and the Tribe of Judah. Allah, is notorious for not keeping his promises; he comes across as a crazed individual and Muhammad was a mad man IMO.

I agree with you Savell, so I'm just going to go out and say it cause this post will probably be zapped before long after this.

There were two seeds in the garden. Best I can tell today is that both of them claim a Jewish/Hebrew heritage. The ones from one seed, the Messianic line seem to be fair and noble and live by the Golden the Rule. The others from the other line, tend to be money hungry evil bankers. The latter rule the world because they rule the money and trick screw it at every turn. It is not Biblical. These are the folks that are within our government and cause friction and turmoil all over the world.

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the anti-christ does arrive, he will claim a Jewish heritage.

See everyone, Charles is confessing and repenting! He don't want anything to do with the lake of fire. Keep on Brother, the truth will set you free.

Wolfie done went and got back in the boat captains sauce, again.

I might have screwd up his moment of confusion when I suggested he not open these threads anymore.....

Mohamed or Allah weren't around until after 1400 AD , explain why they want to kill all unbelievers or infields ?
ISLAM is the only cult, or so called religion , that believes in killing all unbelievers .
Yep go back to the Old Testament and the killings , then go to the New Testament , which was before Allah .

Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313, making Christianity legal in the Roman Empire, when he saw that it was growing to fast to stop. 10 years later, Rome made Christianity the official religion of the empire, when they saw how useful it was at controlling the lower people and slaves. Suffer now and obey those over you now and be richly rewarded in the next life.

Many years later, King Harold Bluetooth did the same thing starting in Denmark, leading to the near death of any religion besides Christianity, in the rest of non Christian Europe.

Keith

In this day and age we seem to be on a quest to find what is truth or a lie. It seems simple that when we nail it down to either truth or false then then rest is simple. If then that is all that is required to set the world back on its axis then maybe we should resort back to "bisha’h". It's an old fashioned lie detector in which a hot instrument such as a red hot spoon is touched to the one being accused ( or perhaps the accused victim ). If they are lying then their tongue will blister and thus guilty. If innocent then their tongue will not blister and they can go on their merry way.
Actually the system is based on the theory if a person is guilty they would be nervous and their tongue would be dry and thus would blister. If innocent they should not be nervous and would not get burned. So see, justice is only a stones throw back into history.

lol again Savell!

I think religion exists is because its hard to accept that bad things happen to people. It gives people a sense of control over the uncontrollable. This was a really big deal when 40 was old. People died from stuff like tooth infections. Every human society has and has had a religion.

I like this post

I didn't watch the first video and did watch some of the second

The bible teaches that you should not allow a witch to live
Exodus 22:18 KJV
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

The verse right after that talks about putting a person down that commits beastiality so it kind of likens witchcraft with beastiality in that manner

The witch if endor was scared to death to show herself to Saul because she thought she would be put to death

The bible is absolutely against witchcraft in every way shape and form

The KJV is the one true and preserved perfect word of God in English that exists today. The book of Enoch is a bogus dead sea scroll forgery. Not a book from the original manuscripts of the word of God (Textus Receptus, Hebrew manuscripts) so everything in it is a lie or a truth that's meant to make you believe a lie

Angles did NOT breed with mankind and create giants. Anyone who reads the actual word of God can prove this wrong in 2-3 verses. I will share them below

1) the text of Genesis 6 that every other bible and false prophets wrest to try and make people believe this malarkey

Genesis 6:1-8 KJV
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. [3] And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. [5] And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [6] And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. [7] And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. [8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

So we can see here clearly that "Men" began to multiply and they had many daughters. The "sons of God" meaning saved men who believe on Christ saw the daughters of "Men" meaning unsaved women and took them for their wives rather than saved women and had children with them. This upset God because their children grew up godless. So God puts a limit to how long men can live. Remember this is before the flood and Methuselah lived nearly 1000 years, anyway then saved men had children with the unsaved women, the heathen, and their children grew strong and became mighty men that were well known because they were so numerous. And God saw how wicked "Men" was, and God thought to destroy "Men" because he repented at the thought that he made "Men" at all, but Noah found favor in the sight of the Lord.

You see the mention of giants in verse 4? It's obvious that we are being told that in those days giants roamed the earth and also after those days. Meaning giants came before Genesis 6 and also after.

Nothing in that scripture says anything about angels mating with humans and creating giants. But the term "sons of God" is the only way a person can begin to believe that angels mated with humans. I will show you how false prophets wrest this scripture from the bible, and show you the verses that prove that the "sons of God" are just saved believer and not angels.

So for the verses that false prophets wrest and twist we first go to the book of Job

The first mention of the terms "sons of God" in the book of Job is in chapter 1. This is the time where Satan is contending with God claiming that Job will turn on God as soon as he is given a reason to do so. God knows better and let's Satan continue, but the bible tells us that the "sons of God" came to present themselves before the Lord. The reason dispensationalists, and other false prophets teach this "sons of God" doctrine is actually angels is because they don't believe anyone was saved and in heaven in the old testament. Here is the verse

Job 1:6 KJV
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

The first verse of chapter 2 says the same thing

Job 2:1 KJV
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

And one more time this term "sons of God" comes up on the book of Job and it's in chapter 38 when God is correcting Eliaphaz and Job's other friends who did not give an honest account of what God thought and decided to be fine judges of their brother. God comes to Job's defense. But dispensationalists and false prophets will tell you all about how Job was wrong. Lol I wonder what God would say about that.

Anyways those are supporting scriptures for the false "sons of God" are angels and bread with humans doctrine garbage.

Next I will show you the verses that prove that the "sons of God" are saved believers of mankind, but first remember that the bible teaches that angels neither marry or are given in marriage so that leads us to believe that they do not and cannot reproduce.

Now to John chapter 1
John 1:11-13 KJV
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Verse 11 we see that the "his" and "him" is Jesus Christ based off what verse 12 and the earlier verses in the chapter say. Verse 12 says very clearly that Jesus gave power to all those that Believe on him to become the "sons of God"
So if you are a bible believing Christian this one verse alone destroys that entire reprobate, dispensationalists doctrine but I will continue and use the book of Hebrews 12 to really knock it out of the park for everyone who doesn't understand.

First I must reiterate that my claim is that the "sons of God" are angels that mated with humans and created giants doctrine in complete and utter horse feathers and had absolutely no basis is reality or scripture.

Now for the home run we go to Hebrews chapter 1.
In Hebrews 1 we see where God specifically states that he never called angels "sons" and that all angels are supposed to worship Jesus just like the gospel believing Christians that are called the "sons of God"

I'm not going to post the whole chapter but I recommend you read Hebrews 1 in the KJV for context

Hebrews 1:4-6 KJV
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. [5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The bible teaches that Jesus(he) hath an inheritance that had obtained a more excellent name than the angels(they). Then God ask "for which if the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee?"

This is rhetorical question because in verse 6 we see that his only begotten son is Jesus and the angels worship Jesus.

If that's not clear enough God does this thing where he repeats himself just to drive the point home.


Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

God goes on in verse 13 to state the same thing in a different manner. We know that Jesus sits at his right hand, not the angels or devil's at this point, because the lore referred to by the man in the video is that the devil's are the ones who made giants with the daughters of men.

In verse 14 we see very clearly that the angels and devil's are not sons because they are not heirs of salvation but are ministering spirits to those who are the heirs. Those heirs are the sons of God spoke about in Genesis 6, Job 1 and 2, and John 1. The way children of men become children of God are by believing on the name of the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.

So I hope this clears up some stuff for all of those reading this thread.

After saying all this I will state that the videos that guy made look really well made, excellent editing and artwork used. Great titles, just all around good looking videos, but they are completely full of false doctrine.

Be careful what you believe, if it does not jive with the word of God (KJV) then it's bogus.

Obviously if you read the actual word of God then Genesis 6 is very very clear, the giants were already there. The "sons of God" were saved men who took unsaved women for their wives and raised unsaved children that knew not God. This is why God repented himself and wanted to destroy mankind

-Ken

Besides mainly just being used to manipulate people for some form of profit, the next main problem with almost all religions is that they create hate and division. Most people think their crazy, nonsensical belief is better than anyone else's crazy, nonsensical belief and therefore despise them and look down on them. Most people are indoctrinated at a young age, so they accept as true teachings, beliefs that seem ludicrous to an outsider. People, who choose a religion later in life, almost always screwed up majorly when young and are choosing a religion to make them feel better about themselves.

I sell to a lot of people who practice what we lump together as voodoo. I was talking to a customer from Togo about the beliefs of people from Benin, Ghana and the Americans who practice Santos and Santaria. He told me "They are all just silly. They don't know how it works." As an outsider, to me all those voodoo religions seem silly. I thought it was funny that the people of the varying, voodoo religions look down on each other just like the immense number of different Christian faiths look down on each other. I likewise see it as a little sad too.

Voodoo practioners actually consider themselves Christians too, just like the Mormons, who so many "good" Christians despise.

I believe that we are indeed made in God's image. I can't see him giving a crap about all the petty differences that men have created to control their fellow man. A being as awesome as God is well above the pettiness of man

Keith

You don't think God cares about false teachers that lead people to hades? Jesus says different.