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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: warrior] #7945567
09/06/23 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
If the FBI had a legal warrant there wasn’t much liberty safe could do, I know on old safes you could get a locksmith to change the combination, is that something that can be done on new safes? If so then the FBI would have to use a cutting device (torch, plasma, cutoff wheel) then the combination from liberty would be worthless.


Yes, if the warrant specified that they must comply with the request.

I read it as they did the search found a safe then called the manufacturer. If so then there is no way the warrant could've specified for a what if. If they knew of the safe ahead of time then it would be possible but that raises the question how did they know.

Or it could've been found the safe then waited for a follow up warrant.

But it really boils down to whether the company voluntarily assisted with the search or were ordered to do so by court order.

And that last sentence is what we don't know.

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: charles] #7945575
09/06/23 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
My gun safes are for protecting my firearms from fire and theft. No safe’s purpose should be to hide a firearm used in a criminal act.



You don't put things you are trying to hide inside a large thin steel box that sticks out like a sore thumb. It's much easier and smarter to hide guns other ways
. As far as from theft you must not work with your hands or use tools. I can get into a gun"safe" in less Than 5 min with mple tools. And your fire proofing is nothing more than drywall between the sheet mettel and plywood. Commercial safes are mostly a feel good thing for people that buy them. I thought about buying one of the big 60 gun safes for my living room. For a decoy.

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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: KeithC] #7945578
09/06/23 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
From the shared article, "Liberty Safe added, “Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.”"

Do you want the people at Liberty Safe to refuse to obey a court ordered warrant and go to jail?

I have no doubt that the FBI shared no details of what the arrest was over. They just presented the warrant ordering that the safe code be given to them.

Keith


It would be great if the wealth of this country stood up and said no to the shenanigans of our rogue government.


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945583
09/06/23 07:50 PM
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Years ago I worked at a fortune 100 company. One day they decided to at random do an occasional locker search. Completely legal , their property ( the locker )

This was done very little and I believe completely random.

A lot of us didn't like it but had no legal protection.

I emptied out my locker which I hardly used. I placed a copy of the book ' 1984 ' in the locker standing up and in your face.

They never randomly chose my locker to search. I was disappointed.


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: charles] #7945615
09/06/23 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
My gun safes are for protecting my firearms from fire and theft. No safe’s purpose should be to hide a firearm used in a criminal act.


Same could be said of your front door. Sure you want to go with that?


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Providence Farm] #7945616
09/06/23 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by charles
My gun safes are for protecting my firearms from fire and theft. No safe’s purpose should be to hide a firearm used in a criminal act.



You don't put things you are trying to hide inside a large thin steel box that sticks out like a sore thumb. It's much easier and smarter to hide guns other ways
. As far as from theft you must not work with your hands or use tools. I can get into a gun"safe" in less Than 5 min with mple tools. And your fire proofing is nothing more than drywall between the sheet mettel and plywood. Commercial safes are mostly a feel good thing for people that buy them. I thought about buying one of the big 60 gun safes for my living room. For a decoy.


Might give the meth head a hernia trying to haul it out should you get broken in to, lol.


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945621
09/06/23 08:34 PM
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We had a locker and vehicle search at a Coast Guard Station. Every Friday for about a month the XPO told the E-6’s to search vehicles and lockers over the weekend. Then the XPO left for home. Of course it never happed. Then a month later the county sheriff showed up with a drug dog, and the dog did the search. Busted several of the crew. Was not entrapment since a locker and vehicle search had become “standard procedure”.

No related to gun safes, but to search procedure topic.

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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945630
09/06/23 08:45 PM
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Yes warrior I reread it and I understand your interpretation, to my fault I have the mindset that you would not cross the line of not having a legally obtained warrant so the evidence you found could be used in court, and given the current state of some of the legal system I’m probably wrong.

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945635
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Remember when Apple wouldn’t tell DOJ how to unlock their cell phones?

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945644
09/06/23 08:58 PM
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Why didn't Mr. January 6 start shooting when the Feds showed up? The safe should have already been opened because he was ready to kick off the revolution. Right?

At least that's what I read here.

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Blaine County] #7945651
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why didn't Mr. January 6 start shooting when the Feds showed up? The safe should have already been opened because he was ready to kick off the revolution. Right?

At least, that's what I read here.

China.

Nope if I know they are coming I won't be here if ther Is time to leave
If there us no time to leave the door will be open and I will be necked on the floor hands behind my head.

Have zero illusions. My family is hear and they have no problems killing them all and burning the house down and saying one of us did it.

To many bang on the chest blow hard around. I'm not one of those. Never fight unless you have a good chance to win. Otherwise your throwing your life away. Better to live to fight on another day.

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Blaine County] #7945721
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why didn't Mr. January 6 start shooting when the Feds showed up? The safe should have already been opened because he was ready to kick off the revolution. Right?

At least that's what I read here.


Why didn’t mister lawyer relate, the safe company has no obligation to provide any assistance it’s not their safe anymore?… the issue of compliance is between the owner and the FBI..Don’t buy liberty and if you own one get rid of it they are compromised..nuff said..

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945736
09/06/23 10:54 PM
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well they probably had the proverbial Gov. s Gun to their head

They're no bud light


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: 330-Trapper] #7945742
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
well they probably had the proverbial Gov. s Gun to their head

They're no bud light



They just don't have any balls. I doubt thay have any Goverment contracts on the line. I can't boycott theme because they don't sell a product I would buy when I can and have made better. But I will recommend other brands to everyone that ask

Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: charles] #7945752
09/06/23 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
Remember when Apple wouldn’t tell DOJ how to unlock their cell phones?

You beat me to it. I don't remember if Apple fully complied? The feds did get in the guys phone eventually. No privacy anymore!


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945755
09/06/23 11:17 PM
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No civilian is a able to deny a warrant with out lawyering up don’t matter what or where your safe or room safe is or made out of !!


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: GritGuy] #7945759
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
No civilian is a able to deny a warrant with out lawyering up don’t matter what or where your safe or room safe is or made out of !!


They have to know it exist first. A guns safe out in the open easy to see and find. Hidden buried room outside the food print of your house with hidden entrance you built yourself is much more difficult to find especially when its not known that its there.


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Kansasace2] #7945761
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Originally Posted by Kansasace2
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Why didn't Mr. January 6 start shooting when the Feds showed up? The safe should have already been opened because he was ready to kick off the revolution. Right?

At least that's what I read here.


Why didn’t mister lawyer relate, the safe company has no obligation to provide any assistance it’s not their safe anymore?… the issue of compliance is between the owner and the FBI..Don’t buy liberty and if you own one get rid of it they are compromised..nuff said..

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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945773
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For all of you who obviously missed it.

Originally Posted by KeithC
From the shared article, "Liberty Safe added, “Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.”"

Do you want the people at Liberty Safe to refuse to obey a court ordered warrant and go to jail?

I have no doubt that the FBI shared no details of what the arrest was over. They just presented the warrant ordering that the safe code be given to them.

Keith


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Re: Boycott liberty safes! [Re: Guss] #7945774
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