But if you don't have workers to build and produce those products for the customer, it doesn't what they design.

This discussion is also focused on corporations, not small businesses. Corporations are a whole different animal. With very few exceptions, the people at the top of these corporations didn't start the companies they run. I can tell from some of the comments on here, that some of you have never worked for a truly large corporation. The folks in these boardrooms are so far removed from the actual day to day operations, they are completely clueless about what actually goes on.

The opposite is also very likely true. The guy on the shop floor hasn't a clue about what the CFO is dealing with. Who should be paid more....the guy who turns a bolt or the guy who is responsible for the financial viability of the company, and all the federal compliance reports that are required quarterly ? Which of these guys actually provides more benefit to the company ? That is the basis on which they should be paid........IMO
It is my contention that it is the CFO.

Anyone who thinks that unions aren't restrictive , hasn't been on both sides of the table.
Not only can they be restrictive to companies.
They can be extremely restrictive to their members also.
I spent the first half of my working carrier a member of the executive board in the union towards the end.

I went to the supervision midway in my career.
I spent the rest of my career fighting the union when trying to advance those that were worthy.
The union controls their members way more than they seem to realize.

They all talk about how stupid the workplace and employers are.
Not many have enough skill and knowledge to take a leadership role.
If you are going to spend your life working there and don't wish to take some control of your future, how do you maintain the right to contradict ?

Someone said earlier in the post.
"paraphrased "
"I need to look myself in the mirror and feel good everyday"

Wages won't fix it all.

Yes you do feel after awhile "A monkey can do this" and its not a very rewarding drive into work everyday !

The statement that " Not all Unions are bad" is a blanket statement.

Really hard to say " Not all Unions are restrictive" Members included.

I never said that . The ceo has alot more responsibility then the workers witch = more stress.all salary that they make is more then the average man makes in a lifetime.

Gus what about the loss of value made by a terrible decision by a bunch of executives that cost ABInbev billions it appalling to me and you know what else is appalling when a plant manager and CEO that the consumer is stupid and didn’t understand the message?
Anyone on here want to address this issue what should happen to the responsible parties involved?

Seems to me the board of directors should be dealing with all those who were involved in that decision. They should be looking for a new CEO and marketing department at least.

The market has made it known what shareholders think.

I don't have a answer for that. If I was on the board and if I could fire her I would! That's part of a ceo contract .
Everything is about money these auto workers don't deserve the pay their asking some of them go for 30 years doing one thing on the line!. And the trucks today are not quality 54k for a so so truck.

Probably a bean counter that wants to sell extended warrantee plans. Seriously, I don't know that auto companies ever cared about how hard things will be to work on. I have an old 1970 pickup. Open up the hood and there is more air in there than parts. I think the problem mostly is trying to cram so much stuff in a smaller space. The modern vehicle is an electrical engineers wet dream. Electric motors, solenoids, entertainment, electric heaters, sensors and and sending units, emissions control and sensing, cpu's, wiring harnesses, more lighting, etc. I bet they have had to at least double the size of the alternator to feed all this. Some of the stuff that makes a vehicle hard to work on is plug in panel and darts that reduce labor time and cost on the assembly line.

Zackly ! It's less costly to install the manifold last even if it does cover up the radiator cap.
Also...I would suggest that it saves money in the just-in-time inventory to order and then install expensive stuff as late as possible so you have less money tied up in inventory for a shorter period of time.

I have a 1966 Chevy P/U. The first time I opened the hood my grandmother was standing beside the engine block. Mechanical stuff is never fun to work on but at least I can see and identify all the parts.

White I'm wanting something like that pre- EI. Do you have points and condenser or did you upgrade to EI?
The gurus say if there is ever an EMP everything electronic will fry. I have other things to worry about

Points & condenser. I bought this truck in 1993 . It had just had a new (rebuilt) engine installed. It's a 292 straight six. I have probably put 300 miles on it since I bought it. I think it will run forever as long as the body doesn't rust away

This has nothing with union or non-union. I just bought a Toyota RAV4 hybrid. I am as pleased as can be. It certainly is not a truck but with the seats folded down, there is a lot of storage room in the back. I don’t know how many cubic feet but I just had ten, 2.2 cubic foot bags of peat moos in the back and that did not fill the space up. I got it six weeks ago and it is getting 45.5 miles per gallon. The Tundra that I got rid of got 13.5 miles per gallon.

I hate to tell you, but the line worker doesn't decide what parts are bought to make that truck out of. That's a management decision.

I think that is where Toyota is light years ahead of Ford & GM.

If there is going to be a "transition" away from ICE engines, The hybrid makes far more sense as an intermediate or even final step.

Absolutely white17 that is what it will take, let the government stay out of the way and the market will decide the outcome but that will never happen

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My Tundra was a 2020. The RAV4 is a 2023. It was an even trade, the RAV4 for the Tundra. Lo-and-behold, in a couple of days, there was my Tundra for sale in the dealers used vehicles. They had the thing listed for MORE than I paid new for it. Now it did only have a bit over 21,000 miles on it.

To bad the small diesel engine are not up to imision standards. Guy I worked with had an old 78 bor 79 2wd Toyota with small diesel and said he was getting 50 mpg if my memory is correct. Yep that a factory truck from 1979 getting better milage than these new fancy trucks.

The tdi VW got 55 to 60 mpg but didn't meet emissions. Don't take into account how much less emissions it puts out with grater mpg.

Point is even my old 85 Chevy chevet got better mileage than many of the new vehicles. It also had 13" tires and I could get a full set for $100. I bought that chick magnet for $250 & drove it 27k before giving it away. 2nd best money I ever spent on a vehicle. Just behing my 94 Toyota 4x4.

I doubt there's a single person on here that thinks that management does not need to be held accountable when they make poor decisions, that adversely effect the company they are managing. All the decision makers involved in the Bud Light fiasco should obviously be fired. Anything the company can legally take from them should be. The company should also take them to court for all applicable torts.

Keith