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Sovereign citizen, Here we go again #7953508
09/18/23 05:46 PM
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These IDIOTS never cease to amaze me. I mean, there are a lot of stupid people out there, but these guys always seem like the inventors of stupid. I cannot understand how anyone could be fooled into believing any of this crap. The guy in this clip is a cut above the average moron, he stands out in the crowd. His poor girlfriend, although not a " Sovereign citizen" herself, can't be all that bright either. How could you date one of these nitwits? The worst part about the entire video is that he doesn't get tazed. I like it when they get tazed grin



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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953510
09/18/23 05:50 PM
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What is a “Sovereign Citizen”? I’ve seen these videos before and they all say the same exact thing word for word. Is it like a cult? Are there classes you take somewhere? Do they have their own set of laws or Constitution?

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Wanna Be] #7953517
09/18/23 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
What is a “Sovereign Citizen”? I’ve seen these videos before and they all say the same exact thing word for word. Is it like a cult? Are there classes you take somewhere? Do they have their own set of laws or Constitution?

No, they pick and choose obscure out of date laws from all different things. Some of it is old English common law, some old maritime laws, some stuff just made up, things of that nature. Some of them can be pretty dangerous, actually. Been a few murdered police and such. Some of these morons even file made up paperwork in courts and try to take people's homes. I wouldn't say it's so much a cult. Just idiots believing nonsense. They are on the FBI Domestic terrorist watch list. For what ever that means.

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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953521
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Copy that, thanks. Like you I like watching them when the police finally tase them to help them understand “our” laws!

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953535
09/18/23 06:23 PM
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I think they’re the same as “free man on the land”
There was one around here. He ain’t free no more…lol


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953540
09/18/23 06:26 PM
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Another pile of idiots similar to Sovcits are the so called First Amendment Auditors also known as Frauditors. They go to public places such as Post Offices, Court Houses, Schools, Restaurants, Senior Citizen Homes, Parole Offices, inside crime scenes etc., thinking they can film anywhere sticking their cameras in peoples faces challenging them plus challenging the police to arrest them. They do it for views on their YouTube channel under the guise of calling themselves journalist doing a story (mainly to see if they can get away with it). Many of these people are both Sovcids and Frauditors.

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953551
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As dumb as a bag of marbles. Like the flat Earth morons.

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953586
09/18/23 07:21 PM
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Things are looking up. This idiot gets OC sprayed and drug out of the car. laugh



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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953604
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I think he's a uaw member. laugh

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953617
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These guys, though idiots, are on to something. Big brother is getting way too pushy and out of line. I’d side with these guys over anyone trying to push mask/jab compliance or gun bans. Don’t forget, it was the boys in blue that were willing to shut down a church service or arrest a mother in the park during 2020. Never forget how little the constitution/ personal liberty means to them when their paychecks are on the line.

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: LR5Ranger] #7953629
09/18/23 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LR5Ranger
These guys, though idiots, are on to something. Big brother is getting way too pushy and out of line. I’d side with these guys over anyone trying to push mask/jab compliance or gun bans. Don’t forget, it was the boys in blue that were willing to shut down a church service or arrest a mother in the park during 2020. Never forget how little the constitution/ personal liberty means to them when their paychecks are on the line.


Ranger I like you. I haven't told you that yet, but it seems to me like your a good guy.

A lot of people claim to be a "sovereign citizen" many of them have been brainwashed into an ideology that is hateful twords the rank and file of the govt. The rank and file of the govt are generally good people. Most of them don't know the constitution very well and have no idea how to say no to an unlawful order

This creates a problem for those who wish to be free of big govt control

I know a guy who learned everything he could about the sovereign citizens and took the information they push to remove himself from the control of the govt. It worked. It cost him a lot of money is legal fees, and a lot of filings to remove his corporate title from govt documents, but in the end it worked and he now walks around a free citizen of this great state. No drivers license, no tag, no taxes, no summons or warrants. They literally can't touch him without his permission

It's pretty wild actually


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: WI Outdoors] #7953631
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Originally Posted by Mando
I think he's a uaw member. laugh

I think them Cops got a steady diet of Pork Chops and Donuts.


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953635
09/18/23 08:42 PM
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That being said the "sovereign citizen" in this video sounds like an idiot lol


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953640
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They didn't see him driving the car so no proof he was not just sitting in it. So no legal authority to demand I'd so no law broken when i didn show id because they could not prove he had been driving. to make the arrest. Yes the guy is an idiot and it's a lot less trouble to just comply. Yet that's how you end up with the don't question my authority you have no rights cops.

It may just be easier to comply but where do you draw the line.

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Providence Farm] #7953657
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
They didn't see him driving the car so no proof he was not just sitting in it. So no legal authority to demand I'd so no law broken when i didn show id because they could not prove he had been driving. to make the arrest. Yes the guy is an idiot and it's a lot less trouble to just comply. Yet that's how you end up with the don't question my authority you have no rights cops.

It may just be easier to comply but where do you draw the line.


Did you watch the same video that we did..? The officer observed him driving (the officer named the street at which he started following him).

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Providence Farm] #7953691
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
They didn't see him driving the car so no proof he was not just sitting in it. So no legal authority to demand I'd so no law broken when i didn show id because they could not prove he had been driving. to make the arrest. Yes the guy is an idiot and it's a lot less trouble to just comply. Yet that's how you end up with the don't question my authority you have no rights cops.

It may just be easier to comply but where do you draw the line.


I thought I heard the cop say he followed him at the beginning of the video

But yeah there is a line and everyone should draw it and exercise standing behind more often

Our society is full of cucks and the more we comply the more ground the govt gains

It is our job to keep them in line. They only govern with our consent yet so many have waived their right due to ignorance


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953709
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"Do you have any WEAPONS in the vehicle?"
No sir, I'm not a violent person. Just guns.

Even with hunting big game now, there's "weapon" of choice seasons. We've been brainwashed for sure.


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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Finster] #7953712
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All of the sovereign citizens, in the many videos I have seen, are clearly mentally ill. They should be on medication. Many should be institutionalized.

In the nineties and early 2000's, most of the people we had arrested at our public accounts, had the same bizarre belief system. They had not yet found each other online, to come up with a script yet. We sent them to jail for trespass. Many had multiple warrants on them. I had to hire police officers for most of those types of accounts, because we arrested so many people like them. We arrested 168 people at one movie theater, in one calendar year. We typically just made people we caught doing illegal activities leave, unless they had an attitude.

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Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: midlander] #7953722
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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
They didn't see him driving the car so no proof he was not just sitting in it. So no legal authority to demand I'd so no law broken when i didn show id because they could not prove he had been driving. to make the arrest. Yes the guy is an idiot and it's a lot less trouble to just comply. Yet that's how you end up with the don't question my authority you have no rights cops.

It may just be easier to comply but where do you draw the line.


Did you watch the same video that we did..? The officer observed him driving (the officer named the street at which he started following him).


I was distracted and thought it started with the officer walking up to the vehical sitting in the parking lot. Was in a noisy environment and my hearing is very poor.

Re: Sovereign citizen, Here we go again [Re: Ken Smith] #7953748
09/18/23 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith


I know a guy who learned everything he could about the sovereign citizens and took the information they push to remove himself from the control of the govt. It worked. It cost him a lot of money is legal fees, and a lot of filings to remove his corporate title from govt documents, but in the end it worked and he now walks around a free citizen of this great state. No drivers license, no tag, no taxes, no summons or warrants. They literally can't touch him without his permission

It's pretty wild actually

I call BS. That may be what he has told you, but it's not the truth. If he does not have a driver's license, he can't drive on the roads, no tags (I assume you mean plates) he will get pulled over, fined and towed, No taxes, yea right. He may not be paying them, but that does not mean he does not owe taxes, No summons or warrants, unless he commits an offense, then he will have summons and/or warrants. Sounds like you know someone with this delusion.


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