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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962263
10/01/23 06:41 PM
10/01/23 06:41 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
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The Hill Country of Texas
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Well sure what could possibly go wrong. Of course I assume counselor that you'd support Japs paying me some reparations for the loss of an ancestor in about 1944 or 45. That of course is a much more recent affront to mankind in general than slavery was.
Can we could on your support BC? Because if not you are now guilty of racism. Opps...
�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.�
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: cathryn]
#7962265
10/01/23 06:42 PM
10/01/23 06:42 PM
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Nevada
nvwrangler
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Nevada
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Nothing wrong with giving one an advantage based off race that I can see......?????  Funyn how racism is sometimes so hard to identify. Some thinks it's OK if for a good cause but the ugly truth is it's still racism I like you yessir, But don't consider it racism.i think it's only fair. I think we screwed the Indians for our own benefit and the treaties gave them the right to self govern and the have their traditional hunting practices and grounds. How would you feel if you were rum off your spread and. Given the worst crap piece of land In Return, and ya had to look as some SOB on your property prospering,killing all your cattle,(like we did the buffalo) in their world while you and your family were fighting disease and starvation on the piece of rock they gave you to live on? Youd be a mad son of a gun, and that's what our government did to the native americans. And the tribe they stole it from gets? To the victor goes the spoils, they would still be innthe stone age .
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Leftlane]
#7962266
10/01/23 06:43 PM
10/01/23 06:43 PM
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2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
Blaine County
trapper
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2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
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Well sure what could possibly go wrong. Of course I assume counselor that you'd support Japs paying me some reparations for the loss of an ancestor in about 1944 or 45. That of course is a much more recent affront to mankind in general than slavery was.
Can we could on your support BC? Because if not you are now guilty of racism. Opps... If you think I support reparations, you have not been paying attention.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962269
10/01/23 06:45 PM
10/01/23 06:45 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
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"HOSS"
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The Hill Country of Texas
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I'm just picking on you for the statements you posted here with obviously little to no forethought. You should thank me.
�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.�
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962275
10/01/23 06:55 PM
10/01/23 06:55 PM
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Alaska
drasselt
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Alaska
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Treaty Rights relative to these hunts go back to the 1850's it says. Lawful hunting in general is considered a privilege legally. However treaty hunting is considered a right. Right or wrong I don't see it going away anytime soon.
I am generally supportive of hunting. I know the greenies really love to bich and whine about this as well. I am more against the antis than the Indians on this one.
FAQ on tribal treaty hunting rights and bison
• What are tribal treaty hunting rights?
Most Native American Tribes entered into treaties with the United States Government in the 1800s that reserved the tribes’ hunting and fishing rights. Treaty-reserved hunting and fishing rights can be exercised on Indian reservations and in certain areas outside the reservation in the state of Montana. For example, the Salish & Kootenai and Nez Perce Tribes entered into the Hellgate Treaty under the Stevens administration in 1855 which stated, in relevant part, “The exclusive right of taking fish in all the streams running through or bordering said reservation is further secured to said Indians; as also the right of taking fish at all usual and accustomed places, in common with citizens of the Territory, and of erecting temporary buildings for curing; together with the privilege of hunting, gathering roots and berries, and pasturing their horses and cattle upon open and unclaimed land.”
• What do these treaty rights have to do with hunting bison near Yellowstone National Park?
Five Native American tribes have demonstrated their aboriginal right to hunt bison in Montana near Yellowstone National Park (YNP) under treaties that were negotiated with the U.S. Government. These are legal hunting rights, and tribes hunt during seasons and under regulations established through their own regulatory processes. At times, these hunts may occur outside of Montana’s regulated hunting seasons.
• How do these treaty rights relate to state hunters hunting with a license issued by Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks to hunt bison?
Montana law and the tribal treaties address hunting in different ways. Under Montana law, hunting is a personal privilege. Under treaty law, hunting is a treaty right. The difference may seem subtle, but it is important. Montana hunters maintain the personal privilege of hunting allowed through state regulation. That privilege may be revoked for reasons such as the violation of state fish and game laws. Tribes as a group have a hunting right, protected by a treaty and recognized by the U.S. and Montana governments and further defined through court proceedings. This right isn’t a personal right, but rather a tribal right, with each tribe’s governance process determining who is allowed to exercise this right.
• Which tribes currently have demonstrated treaty rights to hunt bison in Montana and are now hunting bison in Montana?
Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation, Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes, the Nez Perce Tribe, Shoshone-Bannock Tribes, and the Confederated Tribes of the Yakama Nation.
Last edited by drasselt; 10/01/23 06:57 PM.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Yes sir]
#7962280
10/01/23 07:02 PM
10/01/23 07:02 PM
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Coldspring Texas
Savell
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Coldspring Texas
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… all races fought conquered and enslaved … white folk were just the best at it .. nothing to be ashamed of
Insert profound nonsense here
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962298
10/01/23 07:25 PM
10/01/23 07:25 PM
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Washington
Jingles
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Washington
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If they are claiming historical hunting lands fine hunt with historical equipment and get there by historical means
The job of a Patriot is not to protect his country but to protect the people from the tryannical government
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962307
10/01/23 07:39 PM
10/01/23 07:39 PM
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james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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james bay frontierOnt.
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Native people in North American interior were using firearms for a couple hundred years before settlers showed up.
The fur trade in the early 1700s and continuing right thru every improvement in guns were traded to the native fur producers in return for fur.
Many tribes trading thru the middleman trade were using guns,Knives Axes and other trade goods long before any white men moved into the interior.
One of the factors in Custers defeat was that the Natives had repeating rifles acquired thru the fur,equestrian and meat trade while the army still did not.
Last edited by Boco; 10/01/23 07:41 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Yes sir]
#7962391
10/01/23 09:13 PM
10/01/23 09:13 PM
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Alaska
drasselt
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Alaska
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What's the "in common with the citizens of the territory" part of the Hellgate treaty mean? From my simple perspective it could mean they share the same common rights that the citizens have. exactly. screw the greenies, shoot a bison, no matter your race.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: nvwrangler]
#7962575
10/02/23 07:35 AM
10/02/23 07:35 AM
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Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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Manitoba
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And the tribe they stole it from gets?
To the victor goes the spoils, they would still be innthe stone age . This^^^ This rule has been in effect since the dawn of time… But the Stone Age don’t sound so bad eh? Simple. Shelter, water, food, fight……something in that order
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Shakeyjake]
#7962576
10/02/23 07:36 AM
10/02/23 07:36 AM
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Alberta
Norwestalta
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Alberta
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Around here it’s some of the Métis that are the worst. Here to. Hardly ever see treaty Indian out and the ones I do are pretty good.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Elkguy]
#7962589
10/02/23 07:59 AM
10/02/23 07:59 AM
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mt
MT bowhunter
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mt
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On this end of the state they mostly just shoot the bulls and cut the head off to sell for meth money. The rest is left to rot. True stewards of the land. There is a jackwagon horn buyer from Billings that comes down a couple of time a month to buy the heads
I can't believe that cop put me in the back seat when I clearly called shotgun.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: Blaine County]
#7962672
10/02/23 09:59 AM
10/02/23 09:59 AM
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alabama
BandB
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alabama
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Well sure what could possibly go wrong. Of course I assume counselor that you'd support Japs paying me some reparations for the loss of an ancestor in about 1944 or 45. That of course is a much more recent affront to mankind in general than slavery was.
Can we could on your support BC? Because if not you are now guilty of racism. Opps... If you think I support reparations, you have not been paying attention. Looks to me like he was trying to make a point to cathryn.
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Re: It just keeps getting better,,
[Re: cathryn]
#7962683
10/02/23 10:22 AM
10/02/23 10:22 AM
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ny
upstateNY
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ny
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Nothing wrong with giving one an advantage based off race that I can see......????? Funyn how racism is sometimes so hard to identify. Some thinks it's OK if for a good cause but the ugly truth is it's still racism I like you yessir, But don't consider it racism.i think it's only fair. I think we screwed the Indians for our own benefit and the treaties gave them the right to self govern and the have their traditional hunting practices and grounds. How would you feel if you were rum off your spread and. Given the worst crap piece of land In Return, and ya had to look as some SOB on your property prospering,killing all your cattle,(like we did the buffalo) in their world while you and your family were fighting disease and starvation on the piece of rock they gave you to live on? Youd be a mad son of a gun, and that's what our government did to the native americans. If you feel that strongly about it,,you can give them back the land you live on.Its only fair.
Last edited by upstateNY; 10/02/23 10:34 AM.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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