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Selective hearing #7963460
10/03/23 12:02 PM
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Some people seem to just wanna hear what they want to hear .
On the barge earlier and had a guy talking about the border situation. Was nodding along till he brought up wanting to build a big wall. I said yeah we really needed to do something definitely but I thought a big wall wouldn't be cost effective or specific effective for a good about of the border due to how th cartels are tunneling and just generally tryin to build that thing though some of the terrain
Was gonna say more till he cut me of saying " o so you don't think we need to do anything?! You just want our borders wide open huh ?! Just let em invade and take everything !Thats the type of liberal ideology thats ruined us !" And proceed to rant for a little about how we need a giant wall liberals ect

I stared at him for a bit and asked if he didn't hear the first part where I legit said we need to do something ( honestly anyone with half a brain should be able to agree with that)but I don't think a giant wall would be the best honestly. For certain sections sure definitely a wall would be good but for the ENTIRE border....mabye if we didn't have multiple highly sophisticated cartels that building mile long drug tunnels ,many of which go right under the border and cocaine submarines on the daily. Went on to talk about how I wasn't an expert but we have over 20yrs of using drones to locate and track people in horrible terrain thanks to the GWOT no to mention Vietnam ( lrrps and MCVSOG basically wrote the book on find people in vast area who don't wanna be found), said it seems like it would be a bit more effective to get more of that to the border patrol. Figured a small fleet of old reapers or what have you could be up lortering 24/7/365 all up and down the border and as soon as they pick up on somone have some kind a mobile task force set up to go get them. Said I figured a Chinook for transporting people and a black hawk for the actual team would work possibly. Said we'd been doing similar stuff chasing ole Taliban man up and down Godforsaken-stan down see why it couldn't work on the border. Vs a huge wall that,if it's anything thing like parts of a few parts of it people can just climb tunnel or whatever ( heck I've seen video of people building ramps to drive over it)over)under or heck blast though or cut through. Just didn't seem as efficient as possible other options and I don't really think alot of people really looked at it from a detailed view.

Guy proceeded to call me a liberal and say we needed a wall and walk off tired Thank God it was Crew change time and he left whistle


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Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963462
10/03/23 12:07 PM
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Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963463
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You do know the wall has already been paid for right? It's laying there (what scrap thieves have not stolen ). As for the tunnels they can't handle the flow that HUNDREDS of miles of open area let thru .

Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963488
10/03/23 12:59 PM
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I get what your saying it is going to need teams that track and arrest and your right few people want to hear that

there also needs to be a physical barrier , it may not need to be a wall the entire length.

but it needs to be somethin that defines a physical boarder , where there is ZERO question in any language that this is the USA and crossing is not allowed period.

nations have defined borders , so you must define them , then you must fund the teams to defend and police them.

anyone not crossing at an approved check point with appropriate papers needs to get processed and sent back to the other side.

your right a wall won't keep cartels out not for long , but women and school age kids it will slow down.

so when they send 1000 people running while they drive the drugs across a few hills over.

some barrier needs to define the border

nothing can ever be build a wall and walk away not with a dynamic enemy , but barriers can help.


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Re: Selective hearing [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7963707
10/03/23 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I get what your saying it is going to need teams that track and arrest and your right few people want to hear that

there also needs to be a physical barrier , it may not need to be a wall the entire length.

but it needs to be somethin that defines a physical boarder , where there is ZERO question in any language that this is the USA and crossing is not allowed period.

nations have defined borders , so you must define them , then you must fund the teams to defend and police them.

anyone not crossing at an approved check point with appropriate papers needs to get processed and sent back to the other side.

your right a wall won't keep cartels out not for long , but women and school age kids it will slow down.

so when they send 1000 people running while they drive the drugs across a few hills over.

some barrier needs to define the border

nothing can ever be build a wall and walk away not with a dynamic enemy , but barriers can help.


I can agree with a lot of that but looking at what alot of the wall is made out of... I mean will it slow peoel down for a bit ? Yeah but still if you don't have somone on that crap watching it. Well...hence why I said it have constant lortering drones and the like. And with as much as we've don't it over the last 20yr in other countries I'm sorry I find it really hard to believe we can't do the same for the border.
Idk mabye I'm over thinking this but I'm just saying a true to most hard water stores can have you something cooked up that could make a decent sized hole in a lot of what I'm seeing the wall being made of pretty easy.

Actually anyone happen to know if any studies down about the effectiveness of the border wall in its various parts and designs ? Which part have worked the best what parts have been damaged the most ect


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Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963747
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I am for the fence along with monitoring electronically. If they can read a license plate using a satellite they can monitor the border as well. The fence can force them to concentrate their manpower that will attract attention. Don't believe there is any lone answer where one can build it and be able to walk away.


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Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963796
10/03/23 08:42 PM
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The problem is that the current administration hasn't a care in the world about who comes across the border or the consequences therin, They want the votes of all of those who get in. Whether it is the votes through amnesty and pathway to citizenship no matter how they got in, or the votes of their future children who will be born here (birthright citizens).
Until we can kill that strategy dead, nothing at all will work. Once we kill that strategy dead, we need to go back to the Trump plan. He couldn't finish the wall due to the Democrat Congress at the time, but he did wonders in reducing illegal immigration in spite of that through Stay In Mexico until your case is heard in court. Immigrants from Central and South America were not inclined to do that, so they stayed home.

Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963839
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91


I can agree with a lot of that but looking at what alot of the wall is made out of... I mean will it slow peoel down for a bit ? Yeah but still if you don't have somone on that crap watching it. Well...hence why I said it have constant lortering drones and the like. And with as much as we've don't it over the last 20yr in other countries I'm sorry I find it really hard to believe we can't do the same for the border.
Idk mabye I'm over thinking this but I'm just saying a true to most hard water stores can have you something cooked up that could make a decent sized hole in a lot of what I'm seeing the wall being made of pretty easy.

Actually anyone happen to know if any studies down about the effectiveness of the border wall in its various parts and designs ? Which part have worked the best what parts have been damaged the most ect


even a good safe is only designed to take a skilled person 20-30 minutes to break into

but it buys you time

stores with very expensive stuff like high end jewelers have to have layers of security , that starts with a safe , behind locked doors often 2 sets , padlocked gaits to cover any entrance with a glass door , cameras , a security system and most insurers require that security system to be monitored off site in such a way that if the system doesn't sound the coded all clear in a very specific way the alarm silently sounds any way.

the entire thing is designed to have a response time less than the time it takes to break the safe

that is the purpose of a fence or other barrier it keeps people form just walking across , it defines a line , it prohibits vehicle traffic for the most part .

it absolutely needs to be backed up by a force of people tech can help but at the end of the day you need boots on the ground to place cuffs on wrists.

but your barrier needs to give those people some chance to react to the CCTV or drones whatever it may be

the border is also an interesting thing , there are land owners who own right up to and over the border people who farm both sides , tribes that occupies both sides.

you have a lot of private land along the border the US would have to take an easement if they don't already have one to have a road to patrol some it , some of it is a river we will see how effective the water barrier is , it does keep a jacked up pickup with big mud tires from just driving across a shallows and right up the other bank.

it is all going to have to be a blended approach in every way it is going to take a lot of man power. boarder patrol is already almost 20K people they have marine , and air units

it will probably take doubling that force and erecting a good barrier any where possible

but most of all it will take not tying their hands and the hands of state and local law in enforcing the law. if that doesn't happen nothing else will matter any way.


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Re: Selective hearing [Re: Wolfdog91] #7963874
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