Lawyers (long read)
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10/13/23 11:14 AM
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This was sent to me. I am not an attorney. It is an interesting perspective. I hope this isn't too political.:
As an attorney, I hesitated to forward this as it can be an indictment against my profession. But I believe there is much truth to the article below. Very thought provoking. Lawyers are adversarial and are trained to try to win at all costs. It may work in litigation but does not work well when governing our nation. Trying to win at any costs creates the polarization and hatred that now fills our country and leaves no room for common sense or legitimate debate.
Every Democrat presidential nominee since 1984 went to law school, although Gore did not graduate. Joe Biden (no surprise) was at the bottom of his class. Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Barack Obama was a lawyer. Michelle Obama was a lawyer. Hillary Clinton was a lawyer. Bill Clinton was a lawyer. John Edwards is a lawyer. Elizabeth Edwards was a lawyer. Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress: Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer is a lawyer. Former Senator Harry Reid was a lawyer.
The Republican Party is different. President Trump was a businessman. Presidents Bush 1 and 2 were businessmen. Vice President Cheney was a businessman. President Eisenhower was a 5 star General. The leaders of the Republican Revolution: Newt Gingrich was a history professor. Tom Delay was an exterminator. Dick Armey was an economist. Ex-House Minority Leader John Boehner was a plastics manufacturer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon. Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against actor Ronald Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers. This is very interesting. I had never thought about it this way before.
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Trump, Bush, and Cheney, or who heal the sick like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history like Gingrich. The Lawyers Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want, as the enemies of America. And so, in the eyes of the Lawyers Party, we have seen the procession of official enemies grow. Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.
This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, which, in this case should be the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side. Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation.
When politicians, as lawyers, begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become adverse parties of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.
Today, we are drowning in laws. We are contorted by judicial decisions. We are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast, and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom, he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When House Democrats sue America to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.
Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.
The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! Tort or legal reform legislation has been introduced in congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you and to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association go to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical and product costs being so high
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
[Re: corky]
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10/13/23 12:16 PM
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That's an interesting perspective, that I didn't realize.
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/13/23 12:38 PM
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As with anything these days, there is some truth in the post and quite a bit that is not. The lowest ranked students from my law school class work in politics or government. Some Democrats. Mostly Republicans because this is Oklahoma. If they were good lawyers, they would practice law. The money is way better. Nationally, there are plenty of idiot politicians with law degrees who are Republicans. The biggest idiot is currently Matt Gaetz. He allegedly has a law degree. Ted Cruz is a close second in the idiot race. Anyway, this presentation is dated a few years but gives a breakdown of who in Congress has law degrees. I skimmed it and it appears there are more Democrat lawyers but there are also plenty of Republicans. I didn't count. https://www.americanbar.org/content...ment_affairs_office/117-congress-jds.pdf
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/13/23 12:47 PM
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A politician derives power from his ability to spend other people’s money. Seems to be the mantra for both parties these days.
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/13/23 03:08 PM
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As with anything these days, there is some truth in the post and quite a bit that is not. The lowest ranked students from my law school class work in politics or government. Some Democrats. Mostly Republicans because this is Oklahoma. If they were good lawyers, they would practice law. The money is way better. Nationally, there are plenty of idiot politicians with law degrees who are Republicans. The biggest idiot is currently Matt Gaetz. He allegedly has a law degree. Ted Cruz is a close second in the idiot race. Anyway, this presentation is dated a few years but gives a breakdown of who in Congress has law degrees. I skimmed it and it appears there are more Democrat lawyers but there are also plenty of Republicans. I didn't count. https://www.americanbar.org/content...ment_affairs_office/117-congress-jds.pdf Nice to see a real Republicans view on this.(sarcasm)
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/13/23 03:15 PM
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There are wise men and women in Washington. There are also morons there also. They all get a vote.
Whether their right or wrong they vote, usually for their party and POCKET!
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"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
[Re: corky]
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10/14/23 02:45 AM
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I agree there are too many lawyers in the US. And there aren't jobs for all the new law grads, so some of them go into politics.
The article has some truth to it, but often it's distorted or exaggerated. For instance, I never saw it as my job "to win at all costs." I considered that clients hired me to do all I could to win their case--within the bounds of the law, the professional code of conduct, and my own sense of right and wrong. Blaine has shown there are plenty of Republicans with law degrees. The author's Republican bias shows plainly.
I disagree with the author's criticism of Congress for not passing tort reform. Tort law has always been state law. In 49 states, the tort law has been derived from common law of England. Now some representatives want to override the doctrine of states' rights by making federal law control.
Keep in mind that nearly every state has passed some type of tort reform. If New Jersey wants to set a higher limit on punitive damages than Wyoming, so be it. Industry and business can decide where they want to locate. People in Wyoming shouldn't govern New Jersey, and vice versa.
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/14/23 05:26 AM
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If they were good lawyers, they would practice law. The money is way better. Joe Biden would laugh at you. He has made far more than a good lawyer. The Big Man always wins.
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/14/23 08:06 AM
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I think we are sometimes too hard on lawyers. After all, it's only 99% that give the rest a bad name.
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Re: Lawyers (long read)
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10/14/23 08:10 AM
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Lawyer politicians create law, which creates litigation that equals more money for lawyers. Heck of a gig. To be fair, capitalist become cronies to big business and make law helping these businesses which equals more money for their cronies. Heck of a gig. Both parties end up wealthy.
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