Re: Israel War
[Re: adam m]
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It's a good thing they didn't have a train derailment or Biden would never show up.
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Re: Israel War
[Re: adam m]
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starting to see more signs saying
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Re: Israel War
[Re: adam m]
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The people of Israel are not happy with their government, and were going to over throw it. So we get Hamas to attack them to keep their Government in place. We are playing both sides. The same thing would happen here. If we stood up to over throw the Government we would be attacked by another country to stop the over throw. The US is also the reason for the Ukraine conflict. We got Z elected, and are propping him up with a war. He will be a hero to Ukraine once it is over. And the people calling the shots make money off it all.
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Re: Israel War
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10/17/23 11:12 AM
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We better stand with Gods people. Or pay the consequences. I believe what you are saying 99%. The 1% exception being that in all the past God has used Israel's enemies to bring His people back when they fell away. How do I know if this is one of those times? Or should we stand with Israel even in that exception and go down with the ship. I can certainly see how our country most likely no longer matches God's standards, so maybe we will be rebuked back into a revival type submission also?
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Re: Israel War
[Re: MJM]
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10/17/23 11:12 AM
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The people of Israel are not happy with their government, and were going to over throw it. So we get Hamas to attack them to keep their Government in place. We are playing both sides. The same thing would happen here. If we stood up to over throw the Government we would be attacked by another country to stop the over throw. The US is also the reason for the Ukraine conflict. We got Z elected, and are propping him up with a war. He will be a hero to Ukraine once it is over. And the people calling the shots make money off it all. I think it's China with paid or blackmailed staff in the US including the POTUS. Now if China takes Taiwan the US will have three fronts to contend with. Multiple fronts along with fiscal and social immorality sinks empires. China will gladly step in and fill the vacancy.
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Re: Israel War
[Re: adam m]
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"For nearly 400 years prior to World War I, the lands of Iraq existed as three distinct semi-autonomous provinces, or vilayets, within the Ottoman Empire. In each of these vilayets, one of the three religious or ethnic groups that predominated in the region – Shiite, Sunni and Kurd – held sway, with the veneer of Ottoman rule resting atop a complex network of local clan and tribal alliances. This delicate system was undone by the West, and for an all-too-predictable reason: oil.
In order to raise an Arab revolt against the Ottomans, who had joined with Germany and Austria-Hungary in World War I, Great Britain forged a wartime alliance with Emir Hussein of the Hejaz region of Arabia, now the western edge of Saudi Arabia bordered by the Red Sea. The 1915 pact was a mutually advantageous one. Since Hussein was an extremely prominent Islamic religious figure, the guardian of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, the alliance inoculated the British against the Ottoman accusation that they were coming into the Middle East as Christian Crusaders. In return, Britain’s promises to Hussein were extravagant: independence for virtually the entire Arab world.
What Hussein didn’t know was that, just months after reaching this accord, the British government secretly made a separate – and very much conflicting – pact with their chief ally in World War I, France. Under the terms of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the future independent Arab nation was to be relegated to the wastelands of the Arabian peninsula, while all the most politically and commercially valuable portions of the Arab world – greater Syria, Mesopotamia – would be carved into British and French imperial spheres.
This double-cross was finally laid bare at the postwar Paris Peace Conference in 1919, and solidified at the San Remo Conference in April 1920. Under the terms of these imperial agreements, France was to be given much of greater Syria – essentially the modern-day borders of that country, along with Lebanon - while the British would possession of the vast swath of the Arab world just below, an expanse stretching from Palestine in the west all the way to Iraq.
But if history has shown that it’s always risky to divide a historical homeland, as the British and French had done in greater Syria, even more perilous is to create an artificial nation – and this is precisely what the British had done in Iraq.
In the promises made to Emir Hussein back in 1915 regarding future Arab independence, one of the very few “modifications” the British asked for was in the two southern vilayets of Iraq, where oil had been discovered; here, London suggested, “special administrative arrangements” would have to be made.
By war’s end, however, oil had also been discovered in the vilayet of Mosul, just to the north, and Britain cast its covetous gaze there, as well. Since the promise of Arab independence was already a dead letter, the solution was quite simple: the “nation” of Iraq was created by fusing the three Ottoman provinces into one and put under direct British control.
Naturally, Britain didn’t present this as the land-grab that it truly was. To the contrary, there was much high-minded talk of the altruistic nature of their mission, of how, after a sufficiently civilizing period of Western tutelage, the locals might be allowed to govern themselves. When the ungrateful locals balked at this notion, the British simply dismissed the officials and bureaucrats of the former regime, ignored the tribal leaders, and placed their new vassal state under the direct administration of British civil servants and soldiers.
To the few Britons who actually had some familiarity with that corner of the Arab world, the signs of impending calamity were unmistakable. Among them was T.E. Lawrence, better known as “Lawrence of Arabia.” As Lawrence wrote to a newspaper editor in September 1919 in regard to the simmering tensions in Iraq, “if we do not mend our ways, [I] will expect revolt there about March next.”
Lawrence was only off on his timetable, with the revolt actually coming in June 1920. Caught completely off-guard was the local British administration. Within weeks, hundred of their soldiers and civil servants had been killed, with the rebellion only eventually put down by a “surge” of British troops and severe military reprisals, including the dropping of poison gas on tribal insurgents.
In a belated effort to defuse the crises in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East – throughout the region, Arabs seethed at having traded their Ottoman overseers for European ones – the British government hastily appointed Winston Churchill as Colonial Secretary in early 1921. One of the first people Churchill turned to for help was Lawrence the war hero and champion of the Arab independence cause. As a result of the Cairo Conference that March, one of Emir Hussein’s sons, Faisal, was made king of Iraq, while another son, Abdullah, was placed on the throne of the newly-created kingdom of Jordan. "
Israel, just another gift from the British Empire. I'd like to thank the French for Viet Nam.
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Re: Israel War
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"IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT". !!!!! w And I feel fine! (To quote an old song!)
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Re: Israel War
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10/17/23 12:17 PM
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I been saying for a long time the U.S. should have stayed out of WWI. Hitler would have not came to power. European jews wouldnt have swarmed into Palistine.
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Re: Israel War
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starting to see more signs saying
"Repent, The time is Near" Agree
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Re: Israel War
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We better stand with Gods people. Or pay the consequences. Agree
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