Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7978481
10/24/23 10:18 AM
10/24/23 10:18 AM
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Joined: Jan 2008
49th State
mad_mike
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49th State
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I can’t speak to anything other than my local knowledge with wolves, but… Avoiding conflict with dogs will pay off. I can and have brought wolves a bit from their usual routes to investigate and be caught using BIG bait piles. It doesn’t pan out quickly and I have gone back to setting where they are comfortable in their travels. I spent more time with labor in dealing with the bait piles than if I had just gone to where there was sign, and set there. In dealing with freeze/thaw conditions my time is better spent using the bigger and stronger traps like the Koro or #9. The MB750 and SC 4.5 are weak in the shorts to perform, except in our tide sets. If I were in a dryer climate I would certainly give the beaver traps a run. They have caught and held for me, just not the right tool for the job here. Don’t care much for repeating disappointment. Good luck and for what it is worth the Alaska Trapper Association’s wolf trapping manual is well worth the time to read, and re-read, see it pinned to the top of this page. It helped me tremendously in learning.
Last edited by mad_mike; 10/24/23 10:52 AM. Reason: Added ATA Info.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7978501
10/24/23 10:46 AM
10/24/23 10:46 AM
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Joined: Oct 2011
Idaho
bearcat2
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Idaho
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I have hounds, and hunt around my own traps and others at times. So I can address that issue. No, using wolf pee and crap will not deter the hounds, and I've not used or heard of many other trappers who have used a commercial wolf urine they have thought was good. Now if you are collecting wolf urine where they have urinated in the snow and using it in other places, that is good stuff, but it won't deter hounds from investigating and marking it. Nothing I know of will deter hounds while attracting wolves. Don't set where the houndsmen let their dogs out to empty out in the mornings is the biggest thing. Are the houndsmen walking also or is there a limited amount of access they can use to find a track and then turn the hounds loose? If they are walking with loose dogs it is going to be tough, if they are finding tracks off a snowmachine or pickup and then turning loose it will be much easier. If you know some of the houndsmen, go talk to them. The first sentence out of your mouth should be, "I'm not setting any snares", truthfully snares without kill springs are much less dangerous to dogs than most people believe. But since you don't plan an using any anyways, it will go a long way to getting you off on the right foot with them. Be polite with them, explain you are going to be trapping wolves in there this winter and want to avoid conflicts, that you won't be using snares, and that you are using smaller traps that are easier on dogs feet and easier to release a dog from. (I've no idea if that had anything to do with your decision to use MB750s, but it is both true about them and sounds good). Most houndmen want all the wolves gone, if you are polite and explain you are trying to minimize conflicts, they will be return the favor and often will go out of their way to keep you informed on where they have seen fresh wolf sign. Don't try to run them out of there and they will likely work with you and be a benefit, try and run them out of there, well they aren't narcs, they aren't going to run and tattle to the law, they'll resolve the problem themselves.
The only way I reliably know to pull wolves those kind of distances is with large baits. And even that is hit or miss, depending on their mood.
Are you setting in dirt or in snow? In dirt, best way to avoid freezing down is to use wax dirt or waxed sand. In snow, wax paper under the trap and wax paper over the trap. Two seperate pieces, not one piece wrapped around the trap as I have seen demonstrated by a guy or two.
If you know their travel routes I would try to find places ON them to set rather than trying to draw the wolves off them, if at all possible.
If you purchase more traps, I would look at the Duke 850s, for the same price as the MB750, they are a much better snow trap, and about as easy on feet, while stronger than the 750s, they are much easier for nontrappers to release a dog out of than some of the other traps out there. I have used 750s in the winter with success, but they are my absolute least favorite wolf trap in the winter. They will require more maintenance, resulting in more disturbance of sets, than other traps. Now some of the guys who trap in the very dry cold with powdery snow and not dealing with freeze/thaw do well with them.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7978670
10/24/23 04:51 PM
10/24/23 04:51 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Interior Alaska
smalltimetrapper
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small greenhorn
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Interior Alaska
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I've caught some wolves with the MB, but I've had more misses with them. Crazy how they can completely freeze down and be rendered useless in fairly average conditions. (To be fair, I also had a failure to fire with a frozen down #9, but that was in a bad freeze/thaw cycle.) If you can make a set under a big spruce tree in the duff, those MBs will stay active for awhile. If you want a cheaper wolf trap for snow conditions go with the Bridger #5 Alaskan. About the same price as the MB. I know several trappers that use them almost exclusively with good results. Maybe Hankit will weigh in. They stay functional in adversity much better than the MB.
Most guys use wax paper above and below the trap, another option is that really thin foam packaging material that is between metal siding panels or snap lock flooring.
It's hard to pull wolves too far off their travel routes. As was mentioned, big baits can do it sometimes, but if you can find places to set on normal travel ways it usually will produce faster. If you can find a kill, they will often revisit that even years later. I've got a few bait sites that have caught wolves, but lately it seems like the wolves are leery about commiting to them, probably got them trained, lol. Keeps you on your toes to try new stuff.
I got a wolf in a Bridger #3 a couple years ago. That trap had been laying there undisturbed for weeks with a fair amount of snow coverage over it. Which is to say, anything will work if you are lucky enough.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7979289
10/25/23 10:12 AM
10/25/23 10:12 AM
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Joined: Sep 2010
SE PA ,VT,
luvcanids
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SE PA ,VT,
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OGorman talked about coal shale n the winter there in Mt.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: white17]
#7979374
10/25/23 01:33 PM
10/25/23 01:33 PM
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Joined: Apr 2018
Delta Junction, Ak.
victor#0
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Delta Junction, Ak.
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My conditions have always been cold and dry enough to use the MB750W. But clearly the #9 is superior.
You asked about setting in snowshoe tracks. In my experience wolves will avoid snowshoe tracks like the plague. That is the last place I would set I've had the same experience, wolves have no problem running on my snogo trail but will avoid my snowshoe trails. I have had them walk in my footprints though 
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7979734
10/25/23 10:23 PM
10/25/23 10:23 PM
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Joined: Dec 2007
40 years Alaska, now Oregon
alaska viking
"Made it two years not being censored"
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"Made it two years not being censored"
Joined: Dec 2007
40 years Alaska, now Oregon
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Un-expected flagging will scatter them. Don't think snowshoe tracks unhinged them, but rather cause avoidance.
Just doing what I want now.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: DFPL]
#7981095
10/27/23 08:38 PM
10/27/23 08:38 PM
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Joined: Feb 2021
Interior Alaska
Oh Snap
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Interior Alaska
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Only time I have had a problem walking hanging snares is when I turn around and head back without walking through after hanging a snare or placing a trap for that matter. That alerts wolves immediately! Foot trails in my old area never were a problem.
I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: bearcat2]
#7981112
10/27/23 08:49 PM
10/27/23 08:49 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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james bay frontierOnt.
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I wear snowshoes setting at times when it is going to snow because their tracks will snow over much faster than deep postholed boot tracks. But I try to blur any sharp edges so a couple inches of snow will blend them and don't actually set in my tracks. Also wear them when walking down a not hard crusted snogo trail so I don't leave holes that will still be visible after I run over it, when setting in or beside snogo tracks.
But I also have had them walk in my boot tracks checking out marten sets. Tried setting a trap in my boot tracks last year after they did that at several marten sets, but they never came back by there. When I am walking around setting snares in deeper snow I will pull a drag,like a round of firewood.It leaves a nice trail in the snow that the animals will use.
Last edited by Boco; 10/27/23 08:50 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: wolf trapping questions & ideas of FNG
[Re: Boco]
#7981202
10/27/23 10:08 PM
10/27/23 10:08 PM
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Joined: Feb 2020
MT
Slick Pan
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MT
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I wear snowshoes setting at times when it is going to snow because their tracks will snow over much faster than deep postholed boot tracks. But I try to blur any sharp edges so a couple inches of snow will blend them and don't actually set in my tracks. Also wear them when walking down a not hard crusted snogo trail so I don't leave holes that will still be visible after I run over it, when setting in or beside snogo tracks.
But I also have had them walk in my boot tracks checking out marten sets. Tried setting a trap in my boot tracks last year after they did that at several marten sets, but they never came back by there. When I am walking around setting snares in deeper snow I will pull a drag,like a round of firewood.It leaves a nice trail in the snow that the animals will use. Good
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