Just wanting to know your thoughts. I see people buying fmj by the cases and you don't really hear of the expanding rounds( sp, hp, and ect) . Is this because it's cheaper? A person would think if it was for a -they would want expanding ammo. Just a thought on a Sunday.

I know Navy SEALS were complaining about so many of the enemy staying in the fight after being hit with FMJ ammo. I don't know if that was remedied or not.

I buy fmj for target practice, then reload with psp or hp bullets. In a -situation, any bullet is better than none, and more is better.

Expanding bullets are for work. FMJ are for training, plinking, etc.

FMJ mass production allows for lower pricing Id guess and have their place in a fight with the penetration provided soft points have their place also for other applications . I would not want to be hit with either is my thought.

I go through a lot of 556/223. Buy it by the case and reload it. Mostly shooting fmj at steel and other training.

Have a few thousand rounds set aside for -that are not fmj. But I'd be ok with shooting fmj if it's all I had. Better than nothing.

If your fighting troops with helmets, body armor, or in vehicles... M855 or M193 has penetration advantages...Yeah good' ole hollowpoints or soft points give better expansion in flesh, but it has to get there first.

IMI (Israeli Military Industries) makes the best fighting rounds, IMO.

FMJ’s are not allowed for game hunting here, but I can tell you with 100% certainty if you hit a hog in the shoulder with one of them, he’s going down like a ton of bricks. Not sure if the bone fragments are what’s messing up the insides, but I can tell you I don’t want to get hit with one.
As far as deer I can’t really say, but if I had to guess, I’d say they fall too.

Some folks in Belgium decided that hollow point ammo was to cruel to use in a war scenario and that FMJ's are kinder to the soldiers. I am not sure if the USA actually signed that treaty / convention. But a lot of countries did and went that route. Thus ball amongst is produced in huge quantities and that makes it cheaper.
Personally the 223/ 5.56 FMJ or ball ammo in a - scenario is to me a moot point as My tools of choice are of a different caliber that work past the range of a 223 and for the most part turn cover into concealment.

Like everything else…it comes down to bullet placement. As far as a -moment, if you can’t be accurate, put as many bullets downrange and seek cover for a better vantage point. FMJ’s are cheap, spray and pray.

Lots of 556 sold out locally here. We could only get frangible rounds at another local dealer.
Crazy how fast the shelves emptied.
Jim

FMJ is the go-to for U.S. military under the Geneva Convention. You wouldn't want to get caught using anything else if your on the field in combat.

It would be court martial in effect. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but it may show up in 7.63x39 or 5.56.

As has been stated the Geneva convention ratified non expanding bullets. Not necessarily sure the US ever agreed to that but that is the ammo of choice of the US military. Well up until now, we'll see how much they adapt the Sig and it's 6.8 round.

The Seals have been using alot of 77 grain match kings as of late. The argument is they are fighting terrorists who are unaffiliated with a country.

It's easy to say shot placement will overcome poor bullets until someone is shooting back.

This round is about as good as it gets in 5.56/223

https://www.black-hills.com/shop/mk-262-mod-1-c-mil-pack/556mm/

cheaper and it's military so it mist be good , well they believe the media hype as much as the media

FMJ are bullets made backwards to get the best potential accuracy from them you want a SP or Hollow point ballistic point for accuracy you want weight forward and not a void under the jacket

fmj are formed nose to tail
SP & HP are formed tail to nose

rounds that work well on Deer like 64gr power points or even 55gr BTSP will do well on any flesh

your V-max rounds shoot nice but the bullets fragment fast and limit penetration , good if your the PD serving warrants in the trailer park , they take the trade off in limited penetration on target to limit penetration through trailers should the miss.

the 62gr green tips use a light weight steel tip to make them tail heavy , they flip and go tail first actually a lot of bullets do it is a matter of what velocity they make the turn at

flat base bullet plow tissue once they flip

People look at me like I'm crazy because I never really buy FMJ. Really no point in buying the stuff for me imo. At least no anymore. Used to hunt with FMJ killed stuff just fine as long as you took non traditional shots but after the 10th or so time of me missing something because I tried shooting something with a hunting round but I was zeroed for fmj I got beyond irritated and just decided I'll practice with what I'll hunt with. And I'm not under some big illusion/dream that I'll be trying to punch though body armor anytime soon

62 GR Green tips were designed to penetrate helmets and barriers however they tend to just punch a hole through flesh which is why there's been complaints about it's stopping power. The 55 grain fmj do not penetrate hard objects well however they tumble on impact in flesh creating devastating wounds. The fmj are great for practice as well as stocking up just in case.

Are you sure about that?

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which part , that it makes them nose light because steel is lighter than lead , it may not be the stated reason , clearly as they are called penetrators and they are intended to pernitrate light armor at close range.
the 62gr green tips also tend to come apart nose from base just not reliably , nor do they always get a chance to flip but if you look at some gel tests they flip often about 4-8 inches in it is velocity dependent as I understand it to some extent.

we have known nose light bullets turn since WWI

or that nearly all bullets flip and finish going heavy tail forwards and we have known this since the Brits made the MKVII ammo in 1915 that used an aluminum nose lead tail with a jacket to hold them together. there was basically no reason to complicate a projectile with an aluminum nose lead tail and jacket other than to ride the letter of the Geneva convention but still make a more effective round on target.
it is an FMJ but it turns and runs through heavy end first unless it doesn't slow enough to turn

much like our 1:14 twist barrels in Vietnam intended or not made the 223 bullets conditionally stable.

when you shoot all lead 170gr 30-30 bullets or 44mag in deep snow they turn and go backwards come spring they are all facing the bench you shot them from.

when I have dug a bullet from the far side of a deer they are typically tail first against the hide on the far side

or another part I didn't think of.