I find myself in a debate with a bunch of liberals over guns on a forum for alumni of the MA program I attended. I am not considered a liberal there. They are all writers, and their arguments are mostly emotion-based. They post charts of crimes and photos of victims, which are moving but not logical arguments.

The issues are whether AR-15s and other "military" weapons should be banned, and whether we have "too many" guns in America. I'm trying to think of some non-obvious/non-commonly-used arguments or facts to throw at them. If anyone has ideas, help would be appreciated.

I don't know how much longer the debate will continue, as the mods there are very sensitive about feelings. I've already been accused of being "insulting" for suggesting there is a rural/urban divide in how guns are perceived and used. I don't get it.

Jim

What just happened in Israel? Did the cops come during the BLM/ANTIFA riots to protect the people? What’s the LEO to citizen ratio and your chance the help you over their own if things get crazy? If the Government treats us like they do now how will they treat us if we are unarmed? The ones that have lowered the social bar over the decades are the ones that want your guns.

Guns are what gave them their freedom but that argument falls on deaf ears. Americans have become complacent so it's a tough sell.
Guns are an inanimate object until picked up by a person with a cruel heart.
Good luck.

I got nothing but I have owned a 22 single shot for over 40 years and it has never harmed a soul. The rifle is a tool incapable of doing damage. It is the twisted human mind that causes the carnage.

Lol, this is rich...If those people don't see you as liberal, they are so far left they will never accept any valid arguments.

Exercise in futility right there, but it's your time.

every of age male in Switzerland is in possession of a military style firearm


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murder in Switzerland

Should anybody have to suffer a beating? People are not equivalent in size, strength or intelligence. The need for a military type gun argument is often brought up by those who know nothing about guns or what it takes to be accurate with their use. Going to a range and shooting for enjoyment is much different than realizing a threat and operating through the body’s response to fear. A woman placing shopping items in the trunk of her car would need such a weapon should she come under attack from a small group of individuals desirous of harm to her even if she is well trained. Not every individual is going to cower at the sight or even the firing of a firearm as the debaters would.

Thinking like an honest, compassionate person is not a reason to not be familiar or have access to a firearm.

I can only give you the rural reason I need a few different guns and a few boxes of ammo. I'm not too worried about crime, bears, or the revolution. They are just tools like my hammer.

A great start would be to tell them to just read the Constitution, especially the 2A. It mentions words like "Shall Not Be Infringed"........

The right to keep and bear arms was given to fight an oppressive government. The founding fathers gave us the right to be able to defend our rights and citizenry from such a government. To be able to defend us against that government we need equal footing. (for me) Yes, I even go so far as to state we need F-35, Abrams tanks etc.

Might be a social experiment or research project but I'm game.

This won't go far but if you showed them a "military rifle" on a wood stock the works are the same but looks are not.

Everything you give up you will never get that back, the reasons they give will be lies and every tool they get will be used as a weapon at a later date like always.

Every rule, every law, and every restriction is a loss of our freedoms. We have been allowing it for far too long.

You could mention spoons kill more people than guns so they should be banned first, along with fast food restaurants.

I don't like leftists. End of rant.

The confused Gen-Zer's latest post on X now shifts the blame of gun violence from 'it's the gun' to 'it's white women in the suburbs':

"We will never end gun violence until white woman in the suburbs stop voting for the republicans who are endangering our schools and communities by flooding them with guns."


I guess they want to ban white women too................................

If we're talking blood by volume, there will be less of it in the streets if you give up your desire to disarm people. Look at it as a lifesaving measure. Perfectly valid argument.

I posted this on FB and they proved just how liberal scum they are.