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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 08:23 AM
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My grandparents grew an organic truck garden in sand in the UP so it showed me with the right soil mixture you can grow about anything. I went with the soil testing route to cut the learning curve by finding the right balance sooner. 
 
  
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 09:53 AM
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Pick your spot and get the soil PH checked. Most wood soil is very acid, Ag Lime and or wood ash will cure that. 
 
  
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 10:24 AM
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Already sone good info here.  To increase organic matter content as quickly as possible you need to grow a lot of biomass.   Buckwheat can be a good summer cover crop but I think there are others that actually produce more biomass during the same time period.  Sudan grass being one to look at.  I would look at mixing species like crimson clover, phacelia and others.  Those also help the pollinizers in your area. 
 
  
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 01:17 PM
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I loaded the garden lime I had in my shed today to go to MO soon I noticed it had calcium and magnesium ratios in it was that added or just the normal blend when you have any lime? The stuff is the consistency of talc powder almost like dust.       
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 01:55 PM
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Far from an expert but I though  dolomitic lime contains magnesium? Yes, dolomitic lime contains magnesium.  The 22 and 12% are pretty typical.  One thing to remember, Mg raises pH at 1.6 times what calcium does.  Calcium improves drainage where magnesium slows permeability.  So if you have a sandy soil you want a base saturation Mg around 15-20% and Ca around 60-65%.  In heavy clay you want the calcium 65% and higher with Mg around 10-12%.  
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 02:47 PM
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Great information here. As a farmer and deer hunter, some good topics have already been nailed by Gary, treed, and KB. 
  Soil test is very important, and follow the recommendations. I like a good mix for both soil health and a good food plot. You’ll want a legume , a brassica, and a cereal grain. The legume will fix nitrogen in the soil. The brassica will send a tap root to help with compaction. The cereal grain will provide grazing and take pressure off the legume until they establish. 
  Legumes- Clover, alfalfa, peas, beans Brassica- radish, turnip, rape, kale  Cereal grains- wheat, buckwheat, Oats, rye 
  In your application, I would use buckwheat, rape ( dwarf Essex) , and frosty Berseem Clover. Mix some daikon radish in there if compaction is a big issue, that’s got a big tap root. 
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 03:02 PM
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Far from an expert but I though  dolomitic lime contains magnesium? Yes it says lawn and garden lime on the bags but contains magnesium I have 200 pounds of it.  
 
  
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 10/31/23 03:14 PM
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Gary- thanks this is exactly the same application, I have two landing areas that are marginal and I need to improve.  With the Buckwheat can I plant it twice in one growing season?  My thought process is to terminate it before it seeds out.    I plant buckwheat  for my bees, I stager plant it every two weeks or so I till another section  and plant again.  I get blooms the entire Darth that way.     Deer hit it , infact my neibors wife  asked her husband  if I had mowed it off the deer did such a good job on it that time.   I had a place with old tractor ruts  I tilled a bunch an got it eveled out.  I didn't want the bare dirt so planted that spot with buckwheat.  It flowers in about 6 weeks.             My fields are generally  healthy   so didn't notice improvements  ther but building organic material is always  a plus.  
 
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Re: Building Soil
[Re: Eagleye]
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 04/08/24 10:46 PM
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I bought this pH tester the other day at Ace. I'm not sure how good it is. They had a moisture meter I thought about buying too but it looked pretty poor quality.  ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/04/full-47451-214677-20240408_224043.jpg) With planting season approaching, it might be nice to know soil temperatures too   
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