Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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Some good looking, intelligent, talented trapper wrote an article about that a few months back in the Trappers Post.
Until the ground freezes hard, most bait piles will generate just a passing interest. It usually isn't until the cold precludes many other food sources that coyotes start to get hungry enough to eat a bait piles. In addition, the location of the bait pile may also affect the interest levels of the coyotes. Generally they like to be able to have good visibility for possible danger. So that may be one reason they aren't aggressive at your bait pile.
One other issue is that some baits, for whatever reason, just never get hit. Don't ask me why. I've had dead cows that get cleaned up, down to nothing but some bones, lying right next to a cow they won't touch. I know some people believe antibiotics or whatever in livestock will cause coyotes to shy away, but I've other situations where a bait isn't touched, but I drag it a mile away and it get hammered the next day.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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11/15/23 04:10 PM
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Our farm dogs absolutely love beaver feet, but I dumped a gunny sack full out in the Oregon desert one time and came back 3 weeks later and they hadn't been touched! So that was a head scratcher for me. On the other hand I've place beaver carcasses out there and they usually don't last more than a day or two.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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11/15/23 05:47 PM
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For bigger canines like wolf and I assume coyotes you need to keep your snares a lot further back from the jackpot.No closer than 50 yards. Not close like 20 feet for fox or cats.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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11/15/23 07:55 PM
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Coyotes will often circle a baitpile for quite some time before committing to it. They will run a circle around it about 15 yards out. This is where you set your traps until they commit. Scent posts work well here. If you look closely often times you can see where they burn a trail in the grass. Enough that there will be a color difference in the grass next summer.
That said, it might take a long while before they need to commit. I had one bait pile set out with a sheep and 2 deer. Nothing touched until the middle of February. Then it was all consumed in 2 weeks time....so you have to keep an eye on it.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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Works best it the worst weather it’s a cold winters when they shine.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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11/16/23 07:48 AM
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What I've found around my area, which normally we don't have long periods of freezing weather to contend with, is that coyotes avoid bait piles with a passion. They may check them out from a distance, but very seldom if ever actually come in to the bait pile / carcass dump and eat. I've put road kill, skinned carcasses and other 'stuff' out, put up cameras, and have had a grand total of 1 coyote on the pile, a mangy pup that looked like it was starving. Like others have said, set a couple hundred yards out for the coyotes. Traps near the bait piles, at least around my area, take out the possums and skunks, but too close and you've got buzzards to contend with.
Another thing, around here, anyway, a coon carcass, either skinned or not, will rot away with nothing touching it, while a possum will be shredded the first day / night. Deer carcasses and beaver are the same as coons, nothing but buzzards and possums. Strange?
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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11/16/23 08:08 AM
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If the carcasses are rotting they know it's there. That it's self is an attractant that can produce a good distance away. How many yotes are in the area your trapping? If there ain't a lot it will take a long time for them to hit it hard. If there is abundant prey it may take awhile. Deer season gut piles and lost deer factor in. If it's a new dead pile there may be only a couple of yotes in the area.
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
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If the carcasses are rotting they know it's there. That it's self is an attractant that can produce a good distance away. How many yotes are in the area your trapping? If there ain't a lot it will take a long time for them to hit it hard. If there is abundant prey it may take awhile. Deer season gut piles and lost deer factor in. If it's a new dead pile there may be only a couple of yotes in the area. Donnersurvivor—-the above quote is pretty similar with what I experience here. Like you’ve seen I also seldom see much interest in bait piles. Minor things I can do to impact that such as where I locate the food, how much food leave etc but I consider the big items to be 1) number of critters around 2) amount of food available and 3) what I consider the seasonality effect. Limited critter population here. Surely impacts how quick a pile is found. But I also think it drives some lack of interest. When I see locations that have been worked hard it’s a group. I’m sure it’s same as feeding a group of dogs—- more of them you’ve got the quicker and more kibble they compete for and gorge on. Another component of this is that the limited supply of coyotes is constantly pressured from too many bad human encounters at least here. So those that are cruising your area may approach with great caution finding your bait but staying out 100 yards on first driveby. The second return visit will be 10-15 days later and then they may cut distance down but even then likely don’t show much interest other than brief pause. We’ve also seen these different responses to humans fir years when calling. In many midwestern lications there will be certain places that are coyote producing factories. Setup on the travel ways out if thise locales and the behavior particularly of dispersing pups is much different than pressured adults. So I’d keep in mind how many coyotes you have and the age class. Tons of food in the ag lands of Midwest from big varmints to tiny ones. A critter might be hungry when it wakes at night but my opinion is that hardly anything ever goes hungry for any length of time. This place rivals most any place in country for # of deer and you won’t make it a mile in any direction without finding a roadkill. Food is not scarce here most of the year and our weather is relatively mild. Likely less cold and snow than you have. However it seems to me that coyotes do maintain an inventory list of the available food stores out in their territory in case they need to hit it up during bad times. Firearms deer season opened yesterday. That’ll impact local movement for a couple of weeks Lastly I notice critters use large carcasses on a seasonal needs basis. For fur trappers that registers for us as cold winter. But I bet if we had lots of adc coyote trappers here they might weigh in differently. The times of year when I see large food sources hit is nit winter at all
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Re: Coyote baitpiles?
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11/16/23 01:47 PM
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I one time made a stand calling coyotes in eastern Oregon where the highway dept routinely dumped roadhit critters (mostly deer). I had 9 coyotes come in from 4 different directions within 3 minutes. So coyotes were just loving this place and camping out nearby.
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