Difference submit yourself, Christ submitted to a false arrest accusation and crucifixion He did not confirm Pilate's statement, are you the king of the jews.

Daniel submitted himself to the lion's den he did not pray to Darius.

As did the three children.

Esther submitted herself to the law that she would be killed for approaching Xerxes but did it anyway. BTW all this brought on by her uncle Mordecai refusing to bow to the king.

Jochebed and the midwives submitted themselves to slavery for another 80 years and apparently did not kill off the generation of Joshua as there was a younger male generation during the exodus.

Yes, all of those people obeyed the authorities.

Jim

Twist 'n turn

I was told that the Masons would allow a Catholic to join but the church said that Catholics could not belong to a secret society.
The Catholics have their own Group called the Knights of Columbus . why this is allowed I do not know.

Found this on a Maryland Lodge website.

Masonic Creed
I, as a FREEMASON, believe in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. I will do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
I pledge my loyalty to the Government of the United States of America, a Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and will not countenance disloyalty on the part of others.

Freemasonry is founded upon these principles and I will use my utmost effort to preserve them for posterity.

Doesn’t seem like a bad secret to me.

Very telling, thank you for providing the info.

pretty simple to me. pay your taxes.



pretty simple also. comply with government authorities and edicts.

FWIW the whole oath of secrecy is why I never became a freemason.

God is the ultimate authority. If a person rebels against an earthly authority whose edicts are against the ultimate authority of God, it would be proper to rebel/not comply with said earthly authority. Don't bow to Baal!
I think Paul in Romans was trying to make the point of not being a rabble rouser.

In Article VII, the Constitution states:

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth….


I dont wish to argue or belabor your point, but as a measure of ensuring facts aren't overlooked, this is a reference to Christ in the US Constitution. One may argue it was placed out of tradition, or even that the original drafts did not contain it, but to state that the Creator or God is not mentioned is not correct (unless one denies Christ the Son as part of the trinitatarian nature of God as well as New Testament statements of Christ and His role in creation, if so, then it may be a moot point for those folks).

Regardless, the officially recognized final draft does directly refer to our Lord, Jesus Christ.

I believe that that the religious views of men who created our country were as diverse as the people governing it today.

I enjoy your posts and presence here. Thank you for being here.

Agreed. Including those that had no religion at all.

Found this on a Maryland Lodge website.

Masonic Creed
I, as a FREEMASON, believe in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. I will do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
I pledge my loyalty to the Government of the United States of America, a Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and will not countenance disloyalty on the part of others.

Freemasonry is founded upon these principles and I will use my utmost effort to preserve them for posterity.

Doesn’t seem like a bad secret to me.
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True

Found this on a Maryland Lodge website.( Hobbie ^^^^^


Masonic Creed
I, as a FREEMASON, believe in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. I will do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
I pledge my loyalty to the Government of the United States of America, a Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and will not countenance disloyalty on the part of others.

Freemasonry is founded upon these principles and I will use my utmost effort to preserve them for posterity.

Doesn’t seem like a bad secret to me.
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True Hobbie ^^^^^^

Freemasonry was also outlawed in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Interesting company the Catholic Church keeps.

The simple truth is throughout history Freemasonry has come under restriction by governments that are authoritarian over the issue of secrecy and brotherhood.

For the record I am not a member of a lodge but I am the son and grandson of freemasons as far back as I can trace. My father went inactive over a dispute within his lodge over allowing a known drunk and wife beater be allowed to join. He was in opposition. Likewise I have seen disreputable men accepted in local lodges, including dad's brother who will die alone and unacknowledged.

I have not read all the post that has been made but as being a FREE MASON for over 55 years I do know I love God the maker of ALL things My Family and my Country and I have several Catholic friends.

His lack of attendance permitted that individual in.

The supreme authority in our constitutional republic is the constitution, not Joe Biden. If you are a law abiding citizen, submitted to the supreme law of the land, you will disobey the unconstitutional decrees of government bureaucrats.

Wow