A lot of new rifles will shoot moa if you do your part and have the ammo it likes.

Where he's keeping his money is making them shoot 5 shot groups. 3 shot groups don't tell the tale, and that's what everyone goes off of. Shoot 5, or 10 ,or 20 shot strings... and that'll separate the wheat from the chaff.

I go to the local rifle range often.
I look at other people's groups at 100 yards.
I'd say the Vast majority i see are 2_3" groups.
Seldom ,(like almost never) do I see a group under 1".
Unless it's mine

I think he was providing the ammo and rifle also , making a much safer bet for him.

Well then that would be a sucker's bet, I was born on a dark night but not last night.

If u guys are talking about my offer I have no idea why u think I'm talking about using my guns. That would b foolish

This pretty much sums it. Some people have good days at the range, but they ain't all good days.

I have been fortunate by the sound of it. I’m very happy with most of my rifles and their accuracy. I have some custom made, and others of course.
At the range I use a weighted customized lead sled and have things strapped in good. Doing my best to remove pilot error. Leaving the customs out:

My Tikkas surpass the the factory promises.
Husqvarna surpasses.
Remingtons, 700’s and 721’s surpasses. 721 is a laser.
Rugers surpass. In fact a .223 American predator model someone here suggested is a true one holer.
My Sako’s are excellent.
Kimber is very good.
Any of these I would take to a challenge, if shot as noted above.

These are the ones I use most so I keep a sharp interest in them. Again, locked down, dead calm and temp steady conditions, barrel not overheated. Premium factory ammo generally a ballistic tip boat tail variety. I do not reload.

“I don’t always hit what I aim at, but when I do, I’m happy.”

Osky

Fair disclosure, I have had rifles in the past I sent down the road due to inaccuracy.

From the "one more thing" files........

Was in "the office" this morning and while passing the time latched on to some literature laying around. In this case, the 2022 Hodgdon reloading guide. Among other things was an article that meant to discuss outcomes one might expect from the three different 4350 powders sold under the Hodgdon banner. IMR 4350, H4350 and A4350.

But that wasn't caught my eye. It was the group sizes..........three powders, three different high end rifles in three different calibers, using high end components like Lapua brass, and presumably shot with a competent and experienced hand on the trigger.

I was consistently beating that with my 50 year old Rem 700 and considered my efforts a failure. Perspective.

My Mossberg .243 is PPA @ 100yds! That's Pie Plate Accuracy.

Sold a blueprinted 700 in 280AI, with Shilen 26” match barrel that would do it sometimes. Rifle was too heavy for an old man to carry. Got a 700 in 7-08 that does it on good days. Probably couldn’t do it often enough to make a profit on your gamble.

I’m a gunsmith for a large firearm manufacture whose name I won’t mention but he talks about them in this video. After shooting 100s of rifles on the range (we do all testing shooting off bags on a bench) I will say most rifles shoot better than who is doing the shooting. Each make and model will have a load they like and that is what the manufacture is going to use for testing, some customers don’t want to hear their rifle shots good with an ammo they don’t like or can’t find. Most of the sub MOA issues come from the shooter.

Can't speak for other customers, but if the guys making the rifles know what ammo works best, I'd certainly like to know too.....whatever it is.

There are some rifles that are sold with a proof target included. Would be nice if they all did that, along with note on what ammo was used to shoot it.

Buy a highend rifle and they do. Your average rifle manufacturer will not. Us poor folks have to figure it out on our own, or do some research.

We have a proof target with each new rifle and a copy of the target we shoot with ammo information if the rifle comes in for an accuracy issue.

Thanks for posting! It's nice to have someone with first-hand knowledge talking here.

You didn't really say in your comments, but does your company guarantee the rifles (all models) they manufacture to shoot moa accuracy?

Ol dad

Yes we do have a moa guarantee, it is with a 3 shot group.

So, if a factory rifle comes with a target with a 3" group, you gonna buy it?

If a Rem,Sako,Tikka ect rep shoots a rifle and it shoots 1.5" , what do the do with it?

Answer to question #1. No.
Answer to question #2. I don't care. That is their problem. They are the ones who allowed their marketing department to put them in this bad spot.

I don't own a gun that will consistently shoot sub MOA, could be because I'm not capable.

I do know one thing for sure, when I started to ditch factory triggers my accuracy went up exponentially.