Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: Providence Farm]
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11/25/23 06:57 PM
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⁸888 So nothing illegal then so what's the problem? Looks like a very good day of hunting to me. Not everyone has more than a few days a year to hunt so try to pack it all in at once. I look at it this way that isn’t unbelievable they are just killing deer , there were 11 of us gun hunting this year and if we were just shooting deer we’d had tagged out on Friday evening the first day , I had four tags and would have been done by 730 Friday morning
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/25/23 09:56 PM
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At one time it would have been legal to take over 100 deer a season, per hunter, in Alabama just during the dog season. We were allowed either a buck and a doe, or 2 does per day. Figure that many clubs had 20 or many more members and you can see that the numbers add up quick. Dog hunting is a dying tradition sadly. Watching the dogs work, listening to the chase, guessing who was going to get a shot, etc was fun. We always had good dogs that hunted close. There was no chasing after dogs all day. Short legged beagles that the serious rabbit hunters didn't want, English Springer Spaniels, mutts, and even house dogs from the locals where we hunted joined in. A long chase was 10 minutes. ( All you wanted to do is get the deer up and moving, not run them to death.) Then the dogs would come back looking for someone, or they would be waiting at the truck. Everyone that participated in the drive got a share of the meat too. Shooter had choice of a hind quarter or a backstrap. All the rest was divided up evenly. Deer were skinned and cut up immediately. While the skinning was going on another drive was taking place. If you stayed behind skinning, you were also entitled a share of anything killed while you were working. Everyone worked together, allowances were made for the older members who were not able to hunt as hard as the younger ones. Stands closer to the truck, weren't expected to drag a deer, etc.
The only thing i see wrong with the picture is that a little more discretion could have been used and the deer covered up from view. 20 or 30 years ago nobody would have thought much about it here. It would have attracted attention though, except most likely it would have been all positive.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
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11/25/23 10:08 PM
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At one time it would have been legal to take over 100 deer a season, per hunter, in Alabama just during the dog season. We were allowed either a buck and a doe, or 2 does per day. Figure that many clubs had 20 or many more members and you can see that the numbers add up quick. Dog hunting is a dying tradition sadly. Watching the dogs work, listening to the chase, guessing who was going to get a shot, etc was fun. We always had good dogs that hunted close. There was no chasing after dogs all day. Short legged beagles that the serious rabbit hunters didn't want, English Springer Spaniels, mutts, and even house dogs from the locals where we hunted joined in. A long chase was 10 minutes. ( All you wanted to do is get the deer up and moving, not run them to death.) Then the dogs would come back looking for someone, or they would be waiting at the truck. Everyone that participated in the drive got a share of the meat too. Shooter had choice of a hind quarter or a backstrap. All the rest was divided up evenly. Deer were skinned and cut up immediately. While the skinning was going on another drive was taking place. If you stayed behind skinning, you were also entitled a share of anything killed while you were working. Everyone worked together, allowances were made for the older members who were not able to hunt as hard as the younger ones. Stands closer to the truck, weren't expected to drag a deer, etc.
The only thing i see wrong with the picture is that a little more discretion could have been used and the deer covered up from view. 20 or 30 years ago nobody would have thought much about it here. It would have attracted attention though, except most likely it would have been all positive. Now that brings back memories. I miss the fun of hunting. Back then no need for camo, scent free this and that, 1000 dollar rifles shooting MOA and matching scope. No getting up o dark thirty to crawl 30 feet up a tree to freeze your tail off. No, it was the men of the community. Us boys would give anything to hang out with the grown ups. Lots of laughter and joking. I remember those breakfasts sitting around the big table. We've lost more than just dog hunting. No one cuts shirt tails anymore.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
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11/25/23 10:32 PM
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At one time it would have been legal to take over 100 deer a season, per hunter, in Alabama just during the dog season. We were allowed either a buck and a doe, or 2 does per day. Figure that many clubs had 20 or many more members and you can see that the numbers add up quick. Dog hunting is a dying tradition sadly. Watching the dogs work, listening to the chase, guessing who was going to get a shot, etc was fun. We always had good dogs that hunted close. There was no chasing after dogs all day. Short legged beagles that the serious rabbit hunters didn't want, English Springer Spaniels, mutts, and even house dogs from the locals where we hunted joined in. A long chase was 10 minutes. ( All you wanted to do is get the deer up and moving, not run them to death.) Then the dogs would come back looking for someone, or they would be waiting at the truck. Everyone that participated in the drive got a share of the meat too. Shooter had choice of a hind quarter or a backstrap. All the rest was divided up evenly. Deer were skinned and cut up immediately. While the skinning was going on another drive was taking place. If you stayed behind skinning, you were also entitled a share of anything killed while you were working. Everyone worked together, allowances were made for the older members who were not able to hunt as hard as the younger ones. Stands closer to the truck, weren't expected to drag a deer, etc.
The only thing i see wrong with the picture is that a little more discretion could have been used and the deer covered up from view. 20 or 30 years ago nobody would have thought much about it here. It would have attracted attention though, except most likely it would have been all positive. Wasn't that way around my area. Dogs used to hunt land you didn't have permission to be on, cut fences, shooting up and down the roads, hounds left out to run all day, etc. Main reason I quit hunting. Wasn't worth the aggrevation.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: jalstat]
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11/25/23 10:45 PM
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Sounds like a great time warrior It was.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/25/23 11:12 PM
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There was a study done decades ago, I believe in the Carolinas which found the deer returned to the area they were jumped or started to be chased in, before the hounds did. From my experience I don't find that hard to believe at all.
"Common sense, is uncommon, anymore"
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: Don]
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11/25/23 11:19 PM
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There was a study done decades ago, I believe in the Carolinas which found the deer returned to the area they were jumped or started to be chased in, before the hounds did. From my experience I don't find that hard to believe at all.
Not at all surprising. Seen it many times myself. Actually killed one doe crossing INTO the area just pushed by the dogs. Deer ain't dumb they pattern us easier than we pattern them.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/25/23 11:21 PM
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yotetrapper30
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I've never hunted deer with dogs but understand the reason people who did feel so strongly about it. When I was young every weekend of our one month deer season meant a drive... the only difference was the us yankees weren't smart enough to have dogs do the driving... we used people like dogs instead. I lived for the deer drives.
We usually hunted from stands for the first 3 hours or so, and then did drives. I never liked stand hunting, but would always eagerly await the drives. Now the family is scattered or dead and deer drives are a thing of the past. The only reason I hunt deer now is for meat, and I do it as quickly and efficiently as possible by using trail cameras and deer feeders. I'm not hunting, I'm grocery shopping these days.
The desire to hunt deer died for me when the drives died out.
Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/26/23 05:55 AM
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When I was a kid you could get one buck tag and one bull elk tag a year. First was elk season then deer season. Each one 2 weeks long. Hunting was a family thing. We often would camp (not always). If we did a drive it was my grandad, my great aunt Katy and her husband my great uncle Bob that sat and waited. Butchering was done as a family too. If somebody had not filled their tag they still got meat. Grandad and uncle Bob overseeing it all. Was always somebody with a bear tag and lion tag or two also. Some years we split the meat from one of them. I didnt get into hunting with hounds (no deer) till I was 15 or so.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/26/23 06:48 AM
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Those deer were smart on trying to slip the dogs. I remember watching a spike back track itself to throw the dogs off. It would have worked too because when the young faster beagles got to that spot where he back tracked, they lost his trail. Unfortunately for the deer the old experienced slow dog showed up and it didn't fool him. He picked up the trail and the young dogs took off again leaving the old slow dog behind once again.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: danny clifton]
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11/26/23 09:15 AM
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Hound hunting is a lot of fun and creates a camaraderie with the guys you hunt with. Everybody needs to know where every body is at all times. We used slugs or buck shot. No rifles.
Houndsmen and trappers have a tenuous relationship in NC to be nice. Most everyone loves hunting over hounds. At some point or another most everyone needs a trapper. It's when the houndsman or the trappers get careless or don't communicate properly that the relationship breaks down. Catch a strike dog in a 220 and watch how bad the reaction will be. Set off or steal or destroy a trap and watch some sparks fly.
Hound hunting is needed in rural areas for additional population control. Trapping is needed about everywhere. I love doing both. But we all have to keep the big picture in front of us and ensure we promote responsible hunting and trapping so we can continue to increase our ranks.
Be responsible and communicate.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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11/26/23 10:36 AM
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I've never hunted deer with dogs but understand the reason people who did feel so strongly about it. When I was young every weekend of our one month deer season meant a drive... the only difference was the us yankees weren't smart enough to have dogs do the driving... we used people like dogs instead. I lived for the deer drives.
We usually hunted from stands for the first 3 hours or so, and then did drives. I never liked stand hunting, but would always eagerly await the drives. Now the family is scattered or dead and deer drives are a thing of the past. The only reason I hunt deer now is for meat, and I do it as quickly and efficiently as possible by using trail cameras and deer feeders. I'm not hunting, I'm grocery shopping these days.
The desire to hunt deer died for me when the drives died out. Exactly how I feel.
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Re: deer hunting with hounds
[Re: Spike369]
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11/26/23 01:58 PM
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It wouldn't be so bad it they didn't trespass on your land and run dog during bow season and muzzelloader season. Then they accuse you of causing problems when you kick them off your land. Yep if you like trespassing you'll love running dogs! This pretty much sums up dog hunting for deer around here. Our county outlawed deer hound hunting but friends in neighboring counties have had a lot of trouble the last 5 years or so. Seems most of the good folks have aged out and it’s done by a lot of outlaws who trespass and poach your land.
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