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Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005587
11/27/23 10:52 PM
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Image Stabilizing is the only way to go. I have Fujicon. Once you try them you will never have the standard binocs.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005596
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What power are you looking at and what’s your plans with them ? I sold my Swarovskis and bought Luepold gold rings, they don’t make them anymore. At the time they were trying to compete with Swarovskis and the other top end glass. I just bought a pair of Vortex for other reasons mostly spring bear hunting. My Luepold’s are 10x 32, love them for being small and handy to carry. 10x42 and 50’s are common but a lot heavier. My Vortex is the Kiabab’s in 18x56, glassing across cut units. I also have two gold ring spotting scopes. Thinking of a second set of big eyes for my wife. Of corse then we need another tripod. They all are getting better but pick the power and size you are willing to carry, they don’t do you any good if you don’t want to pack them.

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Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005599
11/27/23 11:05 PM
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Vortex are good enough for me. If I were going to Alaska on a sheep hunt or some such thing where you need to be able to see if there is a fly on it's butt at 3/4 of a mile, I might could see a need to spend more. But being able to distinguish a sleeping coyote from a clump of grass or a rock 500-600 yards away, I'll stick with the vortex.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005718
11/28/23 06:15 AM
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check out Leica, awesome glass

Re: Binoc preference [Re: bearcat2] #8005787
11/28/23 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
I've got a pair of Steiner Nighthunters that I love when I'm guiding. Not so much when I am hunting myself. They are awesome binoculars and gather a tremendous amount of light, they are just very bulky and heavy. Also they haven't been made for quite a long time. The wife has a pair of Zeiss, she had eye surgery when she was a kid, and while her vision is 20/20 she has issues using a lot of optics. The Zeiss she picked out as being the best for her eyes in the store. Very clear glass, but I was quite disappointed with their performance in low light, they just don't gather light. If I was buying new, and had the money to spend I would buy Vortex Razors, they are super clear and gather just almost as much light as my Steiners, and are much more compact and half the weight.

Out of your choices, well I've always been a huge Leupold fan in scopes, but some of their binoculars don't look that good when I look through them. The Vortex Diamondbacks are good for the money, clearer and gather more light than most any other binos in their price range I have tried. Both Leupold and Vortex have an excellent warranty and no hassle customer service. I know a lot of guys with the Diamondbacks, and I will note that most of the guides I know with them have used the warranty and had them replaced at some point. They get used a lot and beat around, treated rough when guiding and eventually they go bad, but Vortex has always replaced them with no hassle. I've not known anyone to have any issues with their high end Razor line, but I would steer clear of their Viper line, IMHO there just isn't enough quality difference between it and the Diamondbacks to justify the price difference, and I have known guys to have to send some of the Viper products back (scopes and spotting scopes) if I was going to spend the extra money I would recommend going ahead and stepping on up to the Razors.

Swarvorski are also very clear, but very spendy. I've only used and looked through Swarvorskis that clients had, so I can't comment on their durability or customer service. They are good, I'm just not sure they are as good as their price tag.

Look through as many as you can in your price range and choose the ones that look best to your eyes. Unfortunately you can't really test light gathering capabilities in the store.


Interesting your observation on the Zeiss. I bought a couple of their scopes of late and the first real test was on .243 the young lady was using for the western mule deer hunt I posted.
During low light early morning and dusk periods I was not impressed at all with the Zeiss. In better light the scopes are terrific. The objective end is 44mm, I expected more. My Nikons are better in low light.

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Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005850
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Had zeiss 10x42 and now swarovski 12x50. I give the nod to the zeiss. Both the rubber eye cups for the swarovskis came off and had to be glued and im not all that impressed with what they are for the money. Incant tell the difference in clarity at all.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005855
11/28/23 09:48 AM
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I almost feel like the recommendation needs to come with a typical use

just because I think east vs west use their binos very differently

just in distance east is likely under a mile more likely distinguishing something at 1/8th to 3/4 mile seeing to the fence row


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Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005899
11/28/23 10:37 AM
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I got the diamondbacks and like them. My brother's leupolds seem to be good but cumbersome. One piece of advice I got when looking at glass is go to a bird watching forum. Those guys are serious about they're glass and on a budget. Meopta and kowa seem to be stand outs for their pricing.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: gman] #8005909
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Originally Posted by gman
Image Stabilizing is the only way to go. I have Fujicon. Once you try them you will never have the standard binocs.


One year at the Nationals at Camp Perry I was friends with a shooter on the Marine shooting team. He leant me the Bino's he used coaching the Marines rattle battle team. I used them coaching our rattle battle team and I had never seen anything like those Image Stabilizing binos. They were absolutely incredible, can't imagine what they cost, but moving up and down the line I had rock solid image at 600 yards.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005975
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At work I use seiners but on land I prefer my Vortex DB as they are a lot lighter and way more compact


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Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8005985
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Swarovski EL 10x42 do yourself a favor.


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Re: Binoc preference [Re: Murphy] #8006055
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I have both. Leupold is superior in low light. Leupolds warranty is second to none should you need it

Re: Binoc preference [Re: gman] #8006059
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Originally Posted by gman
Image Stabilizing is the only way to go. I have Fujicon. Once you try them you will never have the standard binocs.



My next pair will have this or I'm not buying another pair!

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8006063
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I have a pair of Vortex optics and really like them. I have Leupold scopes and like them. Probably go with the Leupold if price is the same, although both have lifetime warranties I believe.

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8006068
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After owning vortex and leapold I'll take the leapold the eye caps are week and spin off yes the have warranty both pair and never had a problem with leapold or the zeiss one I use the most

Re: Binoc preference [Re: charles] #8006070
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After owning vortex and leapold I'll take the leapold the eye caps are week and spin off yes the have warranty both pair and never had a problem with leapold or the zeiss one I use the most

Re: Binoc preference [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8006161
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I almost feel like the recommendation needs to come with a typical use

just because I think east vs west use their binos very differently

just in distance east is likely under a mile more likely distinguishing something at 1/8th to 3/4 mile seeing to the fence row




Good point. Actually an excellent point. I don’t use mine for anything long distance, just trying to see if a buck coming in is worth grabbing the bow. And I use them for identifying gobblers or jakes. Out West y’all are looking farther than I can see.

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