Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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The Feds listed wolverine under the Endangered Species Act yesterday. This has serious implications for western trappers......just ask us Mainers what happened after lynx were listed. Video link here: https://youtu.be/OAffMPgDXnY?si=VsSlSzkEKZmBHC5gI forgot how to embed vids on here.....if someone doesn't mind posting it I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"The Service is also issuing an interim rule under ESA section 4(d) tailored to the wolverine’s conservation needs that exempts take related to research activities, take incidental to lawful trapping for other species, and take resulting from forest management activities associated with wildfire risk reduction in the contiguous U.S."
What's this mean?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"The Service is also issuing an interim rule under ESA section 4(d) tailored to the wolverine’s conservation needs that exempts take related to research activities, take incidental to lawful trapping for other species, and take resulting from forest management activities associated with wildfire risk reduction in the contiguous U.S."
What's this mean? I would hope it means it is not a crime if I trap one incidentally. That doesn't mean States can't/won't enact all kinds of ridiculous laws about trap usage and restrictions "to protect" the wolverines.
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"The Service is also issuing an interim rule under ESA section 4(d) tailored to the wolverine’s conservation needs that exempts take related to research activities, take incidental to lawful trapping for other species, and take resulting from forest management activities associated with wildfire risk reduction in the contiguous U.S."
What's this mean? Dirt I believe they included the incidental take provision in the interim rule to avoid blowback from the states, which would have made the listing more difficult to achieve. One of the advocates have already stated they will challenge this provision and make the argument that existing trapping activities harm wolverine populations. If an argument gets in front of a sympathetic judge (like Molloy in Missoula), the incidental take provision will likely go away.
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"The Service is also issuing an interim rule under ESA section 4(d) tailored to the wolverine’s conservation needs that exempts take related to research activities, take incidental to lawful trapping for other species, and take resulting from forest management activities associated with wildfire risk reduction in the contiguous U.S."
What's this mean? Thanks for actually researching it Dirt. Means we get to keep trapping for now. The 4(d) rule is an interim rule that they are accepting public comments on. But now that they've played that hand it'll be harder to reverse course and maintain scientific integrity in subsequent court battles should they prohibit trapping in the "final" rule in 60 days. The rationale they used for the Incidental trapping exception is very well written and is something everyone should read. Here's a link to the Fed Register posting, you have to scroll to page 83769: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...-species-status-with-section-4d-rule-for It's a long section, but you're looking for this part:
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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11/30/23 12:52 PM
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Not many out here so maybe they need protecting. They have been protected in most Western states anyway.
We have Untrapped Wyoming , they got involved when a gal walking her dog at a refuge, off lease , got caught in trap on private land next to the refuge. The trapper did not have tag on his trap, not a good idea. Minor for the trapper but I don't think she got in any trouble with the dog, GW did tell her it was trespassing. I agree, they should be protected, but not via federal listing. I think the states have done a good job with management without all of the red tape and added restrictions that comes with federal listing.
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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Were Lynx listed because of global warming?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"The Service is also issuing an interim rule under ESA section 4(d) tailored to the wolverine’s conservation needs that exempts take related to research activities, take incidental to lawful trapping for other species, and take resulting from forest management activities associated with wildfire risk reduction in the contiguous U.S."
What's this mean? Thanks for actually researching it Dirt. Means we get to keep trapping for now. The 4(d) rule is an interim rule that they are accepting public comments on. But now that they've played that hand it'll be harder to reverse course and maintain scientific integrity in subsequent court battles should they prohibit trapping in the "final" rule in 60 days. The rationale they used for the Incidental trapping exception is very well written and is something everyone should read. Here's a link to the Fed Register posting, you have to scroll to page 83769: https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...-species-status-with-section-4d-rule-for It's a long section, but you're looking for this part: I agree Jumperzee, it is very well written and makes a lot of sense. But it isn't the FWS biological opinion that I'm concerned about, it is the Fed Judge's opinion in forthcoming lawsuits. During the Trump administration the FWS recommended NOT to list the wolverine citing most of the same information provided in this rule. This was challenged in court and the judge ordered them to revisit the decision, which is how we got here today. When wolverine are officially listed as a threatened species, the next lawsuit will be challenging the opinion that trapping does not harm the population. They will FOIA state data showing number of wolverine caught incidental to other programs and bring this in front of the judge. In the lynx case, we had far more Canada lynx in Maine than there are wolverines in the west, and the judge ruled that catching more than 3 lynx in a 15 year period would harm the population and thus our trapping rules had to change via the incidental take process.
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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"Canada lynx were designated as a distinct population segment and listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act in 2000. This was due solely to the inadequacy, at that time, of regulatory mechanisms on federal public lands, where most potential lynx habitat occurs. Federal land management plans at that time were deemed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to be inadequate to ensure the conservation of lynx populations and habitats."
Source: USFWS
Appears the problem claimed with Lynx was not enough regulations?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Wolverine Listed as Threatened in the Lower 48
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Appears the problem claimed with Lynx was not enough regulations?
Yes, generally speaking it was due to lack of habitat protections in forest plans. Ironically, the regulations imposed on timber harvest have exacerbated fires in some areas which is leading to even more habitat loss.
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