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new muzzleloader #8011420
12/04/23 03:19 PM
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HILLTOP TRAPPER Offline OP
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thinking about buying a new muzzleloader today,its a remington 700 ultimate muzzleloader,a couple buddys bought em and said they are very accurate out to 2-300 yards,anybody else on here know anything about them?the gun is about 1200.00 plus the scope ill be putting on it.


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8011422
12/04/23 03:26 PM
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Nope....I pour loose powder down the barrel

And it has a rock ..to make sparks ...that makes it go boom[Linked Image]

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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8011424
12/04/23 03:27 PM
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Accuracy depends on your load and that's take experimentation.

Re: new muzzleloader [Re: WI Outdoors] #8011534
12/04/23 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mando
Accuracy depends on your load and that's take experimentation.

Absolutely what he says . 300 yards little iffy in my book but probably can be done killed a few with my encore at 230 that’s the farthest for me

Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8011676
12/04/23 07:51 PM
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I wish I still had my Lyman .54 cal


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8011750
12/04/23 08:56 PM
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This is a fifty. Looking for the right flintlock in about 36 caliber. Think I may have to get a kit

Last edited by danny clifton; 12/04/23 08:56 PM.

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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: danny clifton] #8011759
12/04/23 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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This is a fifty. Looking for the right flintlock in about 36 caliber. Think I may have to get a kit


Not many were ever made commercially in 36. 32 was a bit more common, like the Traditions Crockett. That Crockett is a darn nice rifle. I had dad make my new squirrel rifle in 36, second from left. 3rd is my 54 deer rifle .

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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8011776
12/04/23 09:07 PM
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I shoot left handed but am right hand dominant. Looking for one without a patchbox or canted for right handed shooters.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012019
12/05/23 01:06 AM
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there are muzzle stuffing season extenders and muzzle loaders

the 700 is a Rem 700 that has a breech plug where the chamber would be a primer goes in the back of the breech plug and the bolt closes on the breech plug securing the 209 shotgun primer much like a ting cartridge it only sets off the main powder charge however which must be loaded from the muzzle

I checked the MN regs and you can use a magnifying optic and there is no restriction on ignition type so 209 closed system is OK

if your planning any western state hunts look at their regulations to see what you would need to be legal out there , some are no sabots , some are open ignition type , many are no optics so if your planning that for some day this might not be the muzzle loader for you or you may be getting a second.

1200 + optic and your not done yet

if your looking for accuracy with a muzzle loader and you want to push the limits of range , your going to need a
Rage rod
cleaning Jag
powder measure and flask
a can of a black powder substitute , real black burns more consisitently than most subs but it will not get you the kind of velocity you need to be super sonic at 300 yards
then projectiles and sabots
probably a loading tool to load the pointed bullets without mashing the nose so you can make 300 like you want
also 209 primers
so add that stuff up and I would guess your adding 250 more maybe 300 it is easy to spend more
it all adds up fast

OK so you now have a muzzle loader and scope and all the stuff to make it go boom

load development time what sabot and bullet is good for your gun

cleaning , you don't need any fancy chemical but you need hot water , a little dawn dish soap helps then a natural lube like bore butter or Wonder lube
plenty of patches , a bit of ant seize to put on the breech plug threads

and on the 700 a bolt break down tool , you need to clean inside the bolt so it doesn't corrode

say you go with Hornady flex tip 300gr https://www.hornady.com/muzzleloading/browse/50-cal-sabot-low-drag-with-45-cal-300-sst-bullet#!/

you can make 300 still super sonic your accuracy will depend a lot on your loading procedure and the load you find

when your done hunting for the day if you haven't fired the gun you remove the primer case it up and go home you want to keep it where it won't sweat so probably not bring it in the warm moist house.
if you fired and reloaded it you dump that by firing it into the ground , then go home and clean
if you only fired it and didn't reload then just home to clean.

muzzle loader performance starts costing by the yard .

with that Hornady bullet at their target velocity of 2130fps you have 5 inches drop at 200 , 13 inches drop at 250 and 26 inches drop at 300 so you better have the range finder out and have tested your load at those distances to know what your actuall drop is every 25 yards
2 inch scope height over bore and 150 yard zero.


now if you come back into say 125-150 yards things can cost less and take a fair amount less load development and data collection

anytime you push the outside limits you need to do more work to make sure you can account for all the variables

a lot of season extenders just want to toss some money at it looking for a solution and lots of people want to take your money and sell you their solution , but mostly lower goals or spend the time getting data

it can be done , in competition shooting 900 yards is possible , it takes a very heavy bullet and it falls feet not inches




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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012024
12/05/23 01:16 AM
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Actually the Rem 700 UM the OP is referring to uses a Remington 9.5 large rifle magnum powder.

The muzzleloaders that are using large rifle primers instead of the 209s are pretty much dead deer at 200 yds. 300 is very doable,

Money is not a finite resource.


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: Steven 49er] #8012079
12/05/23 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Actually the Rem 700 UM the OP is referring to uses a Remington 9.5 large rifle magnum powder.

The muzzleloaders that are using large rifle primers instead of the 209s are pretty much dead deer at 200 yds. 300 is very doable,

Money is not a finite resource.

Good Info...didn't know about newer style primers


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012147
12/05/23 07:51 AM
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To each their own. Sometimes I like to use a gun like my great great grampa did and sometimes I like to shoot my 270. Sometimes I use a crossbow with cams and sometimes an old recurve. Shooting/hunting should be fun. I am certainly not going to tell somebody else what to use.

I like small game hunting. Want to have a flintlock. I guess cause of the respect I feel for our ancestors. The hard life they had. The tools they had. Its interests me.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: new muzzleloader [Re: danny clifton] #8012158
12/05/23 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
To each their own. Sometimes I like to use a gun like my great great grampa did and sometimes I like to shoot my 270. Sometimes I use a crossbow with cams and sometimes an old recurve. Shooting/hunting should be fun. I am certainly not going to tell somebody else what to use.

I like small game hunting. Want to have a flintlock. I guess cause of the respect I feel for our ancestors. The hard life they had. The tools they had. Its interests me.


Wow I agree! I was never interested in flintlock until my husband just up and bought one, that year I happened to be the one to harvest a deer and I felt so fortunate, especially after one misfire when my powder must have been damp. The same scenario unfolded a week later and the gun went off. It was a really big deal for me and although it was a smaller doe, still a trophy.
I’d honestly like to get a flintlock pistol too! Would be nice for dual carry during the muzzleloader week while archery hunting.

Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012238
12/05/23 09:41 AM
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I built my .50 cal Jadger percussion shortly after I graduated from high-school. Recently my brother built and gave me a .32 cal Poor boy fainter. Taken game wit both of them but wish I had made my .50 as a fainter also. Will try to post pictures.


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: danny clifton] #8012584
12/05/23 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I shoot left handed but am right hand dominant. Looking for one without a patchbox or canted for right handed shooters.


What's more important is.....which one is your dominant eye ?

If your right eye dominant...you best be shooting righty


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012661
12/05/23 07:22 PM
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I have a Rem 700 muzzleloader, pain in the butt to clean , but very accurate. With open sights, and a good rest loaded with 2 triple 7 pellets and a 245 grain power belt projectile, dead on at 200 yds..

Re: new muzzleloader [Re: danny clifton] #8012693
12/05/23 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
To each their own. Sometimes I like to use a gun like my great great grampa did and sometimes I like to shoot my 270. Sometimes I use a crossbow with cams and sometimes an old recurve. Shooting/hunting should be fun. I am certainly not going to tell somebody else what to use.

I like small game hunting. Want to have a flintlock. I guess cause of the respect I feel for our ancestors. The hard life they had. The tools they had. Its interests me.

To each their own is Right


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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8012735
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Re: new muzzleloader [Re: HILLTOP TRAPPER] #8013470
12/06/23 06:39 PM
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