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Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. #8014488
12/07/23 06:24 PM
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"The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That sounds great in theory, but what about when a religion commands killing people for their sexuality or beliefs. What about when a religion says it's okay to rape women, who.you capture, who are of a different religion?

Muslims, who live in the US and other countries behave as instructed by Fatwas, instructions from Imams, from their interpretation of the Qur'an. For instance:

"Assalaamu alaykum. According to Islam, what is the ruling on providing medical treatment to homosexuals as a doctor? Please also provide sources of evidence from the Quran and Hadith.

Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

Homosexuality is an outrageous act, and if someone does it out of his own free after having reached puberty, then, Islamically, he deserves to be killed regardless of whether he is the doer or the one to whom it is done.

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The one who commits homosexuality and the one to whom it is done must both be stoned to death regardless of whether they are married or unmarried, as it was reported in the Sunan that the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, said, 'Whoever you find engaging in the practices of the people of Loot (Lut), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done,' and the Companions unanimously agreed that whoever engages in homosexuality must be killed.”

Since they both deserve to be killed Islamically, then their blood is not sacred, and, without a doubt, providing medication and treatment for them is an act of sympathy towards them and giving them a chance in life that they do not deserve.

The scholars of Fiqh stated that if a person has enough water for ablution only and then finds a thirsty person, he should give him the water and perform Tayammum (dry ablution), unless the blood of this thirsty person is not sacred, then he does not give him the water even if he is thirsty and dying.

Al-Hattaab from the Maaliki School of jurisprudence said, “What is understood from Ibn Abdus-Salaam's restriction of the ruling to the human whose blood is sacred is that the belligerent non-Muslim, the apostate, the adulterer [the person who is married and fornicates] and the like, then fear for their life when they are thirsty is not taken into consideration, and this is the apparent view if proof is established.”

Therefore, to conclude, the person whose blood is not sacred, one should not extend a helping hand to them in treating them because they do not deserve life.

Allaah knows best."

I posit that when a religion demands actions that are illegal in the US, that religion should be banned and it's practitioners should be prohibited entry into the US.

What say you?

Keith

Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014514
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014519
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014540
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That would be better addressed through our immigration policies.

Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014546
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Wow someone is a little intolerant of our Muslim Brothers. You need to open your heart as a Christian and learn more about their true faith and not look at the wack jobs as the standard.


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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014554
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: J.C.] #8014565
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Originally Posted by J.C.
Wow someone is a little intolerant of our Muslim Brothers. You need to open your heart as a Christian and learn more about their true faith and not look at the wack jobs as the standard.



This mind set will get you killed and your wife and daughters raped. Also your sons if t hey are younger than puberty because then it's OK to be a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and rape kids.


Myself its not hard to look at what they are with open eyes and accept it. Read their book and it will become very clear if you want to talk about being educated.

I may not be a good Christian or maybe your ideas are watered-down but be a threat to me and mine and I won't turn the other cheek unless that is sending a 2nd round into the other cheek to make sure the job is done.

Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: J.C.] #8014569
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Originally Posted by J.C.
Wow someone is a little intolerant of our Muslim Brothers. You need to open your heart as a Christian and learn more about their true faith and not look at the wack jobs as the standard.


Have you read the Quran? I have. Plenty to be intolerant of in a free society. They do not believe in free societies!


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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014579
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014584
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rape and murder are illegal here. prison will give them the chance to get in touch with their feminine side

i say stop any more immigration


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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: Guss] #8014586
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Originally Posted by Guss
Muslims throw homo off roofs.

That so reminds be of Brave heart.


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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014589
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I've always been told (which I understand, doesn't necessarily make it true) that islam is not a religion, but an ideology. Now, that may be mincing words, but thereagain that's my understanding.


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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: KeithC] #8014591
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To those who are stating extremist tribe. I ask has your life ever been saved by a Muslim?


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The problem with restricting one constitutional right it will open the door to more restrictions on other rights, I’m a bigger believer in removing all the restrictions to all the constitutional rights and allowing stand your ground laws in every state so if something happens they’ll be dead and then nobody has to deal with them again.

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Originally Posted by J.C.
To those who are stating extremist tribe. I ask has your life ever been saved by a Muslim?


No but my brother in law sure has killed a bunch of them. Been blown up and shot a few time by them and had a bunch of friends that were in his wedding with me that they have killed though.

Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary. [Re: Providence Farm] #8014598
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Originally Posted by J.C.
To those who are stating extremist tribe. I ask has your life ever been saved by a Muslim?


No but my brother in law sure has killed a bunch of them. Been blown up and shot a few time by them and had a bunch of friends that were in his wedding with me that they have killed though.


Yep same. But if you’re judging based on a person’s faith you have none. I had plenty of close calls and fallen brothers too. But you people are dangerously ignorant. Yep I said it. Just bigots.


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Originally Posted by KeithC
"The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That sounds great in theory, but what about when a religion commands killing people for their sexuality or beliefs. What about when a religion says it's okay to rape women, who.you capture, who are of a different religion?

Muslims, who live in the US and other countries behave as instructed by Fatwas, instructions from Imams, from their interpretation of the Qur'an. For instance:

"Assalaamu alaykum. According to Islam, what is the ruling on providing medical treatment to homosexuals as a doctor? Please also provide sources of evidence from the Quran and Hadith.

Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

Homosexuality is an outrageous act, and if someone does it out of his own free after having reached puberty, then, Islamically, he deserves to be killed regardless of whether he is the doer or the one to whom it is done.

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The one who commits homosexuality and the one to whom it is done must both be stoned to death regardless of whether they are married or unmarried, as it was reported in the Sunan that the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, said, 'Whoever you find engaging in the practices of the people of Loot (Lut), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done,' and the Companions unanimously agreed that whoever engages in homosexuality must be killed.”

Since they both deserve to be killed Islamically, then their blood is not sacred, and, without a doubt, providing medication and treatment for them is an act of sympathy towards them and giving them a chance in life that they do not deserve.

The scholars of Fiqh stated that if a person has enough water for ablution only and then finds a thirsty person, he should give him the water and perform Tayammum (dry ablution), unless the blood of this thirsty person is not sacred, then he does not give him the water even if he is thirsty and dying.

Al-Hattaab from the Maaliki School of jurisprudence said, “What is understood from Ibn Abdus-Salaam's restriction of the ruling to the human whose blood is sacred is that the belligerent non-Muslim, the apostate, the adulterer [the person who is married and fornicates] and the like, then fear for their life when they are thirsty is not taken into consideration, and this is the apparent view if proof is established.”

Therefore, to conclude, the person whose blood is not sacred, one should not extend a helping hand to them in treating them because they do not deserve life.

Allaah knows best."

I posit that when a religion demands actions that are illegal in the US, that religion should be banned and it's practitioners should be prohibited entry into the US.

What say you?

Keith

Read Leviticus, we all should have been stoned already.


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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
The problem with restricting one constitutional right it will open the door to more restrictions on other rights, I’m a bigger believer in removing all the restrictions to all the constitutional rights and allowing stand your ground laws in every state so if something happens they’ll be dead and then nobody has to deal with them again.

This is how it should work. No matter what religion you claim, if you murder someone you should be strung up promptly.

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Originally Posted by J.C.
To those who are stating extremist tribe. I ask has your life ever been saved by a Muslim?


Do you really think a Muslim would refuse to save a life of a jew or non believer of their cult?
It's in their teachings , to lie and deceive non believers .
When they're called, they will turn on you in a heart beat.
Look at the attacks on non Muslims here in this country.
Friends working together for years, turn and kill 14 at a Christmas party.
Look at Fort Hood , a physiatrist , turned and killed fellow soldiers.
Look up the attacks on Christians in this country and others by Muslims.
When they feel that they have been called by Allah , they kill with pure hate.
Look at what they did in Gaza . PURE HATE ! All they want is to have complete control over the world.
You say a few radicals , yet those that cheer and party after an attack on nonbelievers , aren't radicals and murders in waiting?
The WOKE crowd better wake up to reality.


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