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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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"The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
That sounds great in theory, but what about when a religion commands killing people for their sexuality or beliefs. What about when a religion says it's okay to rape women, who.you capture, who are of a different religion?
Muslims, who live in the US and other countries behave as instructed by Fatwas, instructions from Imams, from their interpretation of the Qur'an. For instance:
"Assalaamu alaykum. According to Islam, what is the ruling on providing medical treatment to homosexuals as a doctor? Please also provide sources of evidence from the Quran and Hadith.
Answer All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.
Homosexuality is an outrageous act, and if someone does it out of his own free after having reached puberty, then, Islamically, he deserves to be killed regardless of whether he is the doer or the one to whom it is done.
Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The one who commits homosexuality and the one to whom it is done must both be stoned to death regardless of whether they are married or unmarried, as it was reported in the Sunan that the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, said, 'Whoever you find engaging in the practices of the people of Loot (Lut), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done,' and the Companions unanimously agreed that whoever engages in homosexuality must be killed.”
Since they both deserve to be killed Islamically, then their blood is not sacred, and, without a doubt, providing medication and treatment for them is an act of sympathy towards them and giving them a chance in life that they do not deserve.
The scholars of Fiqh stated that if a person has enough water for ablution only and then finds a thirsty person, he should give him the water and perform Tayammum (dry ablution), unless the blood of this thirsty person is not sacred, then he does not give him the water even if he is thirsty and dying.
Al-Hattaab from the Maaliki School of jurisprudence said, “What is understood from Ibn Abdus-Salaam's restriction of the ruling to the human whose blood is sacred is that the belligerent non-Muslim, the apostate, the adulterer [the person who is married and fornicates] and the like, then fear for their life when they are thirsty is not taken into consideration, and this is the apparent view if proof is established.”
Therefore, to conclude, the person whose blood is not sacred, one should not extend a helping hand to them in treating them because they do not deserve life.
Allaah knows best."
I posit that when a religion demands actions that are illegal in the US, that religion should be banned and it's practitioners should be prohibited entry into the US.
What say you?
Keith Read Leviticus, we all should have been stoned already. You're talking the OT , the NT changed all the old beliefs with the TEN COMMANDMENTS . And Jesus .
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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If you go to: https://islamweb.net/en/fatwa/414052/urinates-while-standingand put in any terms you want to search, select all and hit the search button, you can see the Fatwas on the subject. Many of the the answers are totally reprehensible and bizarre too. Murder, lying, rape, theft and many other crimes are permitted, encouraged or even required, in some cases, when dealing with non Muslims. The rules on women are phenomenally abhorrent, so much so, they can't be posted here. You can even ask questions and the Imams will answer them. Take a look. Keith
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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"3) Jihaad against the Jews in the Great Battle. Abu Hurayrah may Allaah be pleased with him narrated that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: “The Last Day will not take place before you fight the Jews until the stone behind which a Jew is hiding says: “O Muslim! This is a Jew behind me come and kill him.” [Al-Bukhari]" https://islamweb.net/en/fatwa/85916/the-causes-required-for-muslims-triumph"What is the Sharee‘ah ruling on identifying the year 2044 as the year that will mark the end of the state of Israel, through the number of letters and chapters of the Quran and the number of verses? Answer All perfect praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is His Slave and Messenger. According to Sharee‘ah rules, it is impermissible to wade into the Quran without observing the fundamentals that were set by scholars for interpreting it and illustrating its miraculous nature. Muslims must not preoccupy themselves with the date that will mark the end of Israel because Israel will definitely cease to exist one day. This is according to the Hadeeth that was narrated on the authority of Abu Hurayrah may Allaah be pleased with him where the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, mentioned that the Hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. [Muslim] Hence, it is a definite issue. The more important question is what have we prepared for that day? Have we fulfilled our duty towards our oppressed brothers in Palestine? Have we supported them and defended them against Jewish aggression? In fact, this is the responsibility of all Muslims; each according to his own ability. In a Hadeeth on the authority of Abu Hurayrah may Allaah be pleased with him the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said that anyone who dies without having gone or thought of going out for Jihaad (physically fighting in the battlefield) will die while being guilty of a branch of hypocrisy. [Muslim] We ask Allaah The Almighty to guide Muslims back to their religion and to free Al-Aqsa Mosque from the evil schemes of the Jews. Allaah Knows best." https://islamweb.net/en/fatwa/27186/israel-will-cease-to-existKeith
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Jc have you read their book? It clearly stated their beliefs. If you are based your beliefs of their beliefs on one the saved you and transferring that affection on all of them when it's Cleary not what their book stated I would say you are dangerously confused.
Look how every Muslim country is ran. Yes I have read it. I am looking at the copy I have of it alongside my copy of the Book of Mormon, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Siddhartha. I don’t consider myself a mystic nor a theologian but I will always consider myself worldly as well as Godly. All people are brothers and sisters and loved in Gods eye. The Koran also says that all people of the Book are holy people. Muslims, Jews, and Catholics. Treat others as brothers and sisters. We all have polluted faith in some capacity. The guy who was nailed to the tree said love your neighbor and pray for your enemy. My brother in arms who saved my life in Afghanistan who I am working to get out of Kabul is a devout Muslim. Prayer for him and his family.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Ohio I was responding to Keith, the old testament is still the belief of non believing jews . The Torah is the old testament and the law is still part of there belief system. Look at the Talmudic religion. And the Noah hide laws. They are anything but peaceful. That doesn't mean that the peaple of those beliefs all practice what there religion teaches. But some do.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Jc have you read their book? It clearly stated their beliefs. If you are based your beliefs of their beliefs on one the saved you and transferring that affection on all of them when it's Cleary not what their book stated I would say you are dangerously confused.
Look how every Muslim country is ran. Yes I have read it. I am looking at the copy I have of it alongside my copy of the Book of Mormon, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Siddhartha. I don’t consider myself a mystic nor a theologian but I will always consider myself worldly as well as Godly. All people are brothers and sisters and loved in Gods eye. The Koran also says that all people of the Book are holy people. Muslims, Jews, and Catholics. Treat others as brothers and sisters. We all have polluted faith in some capacity. The guy who was nailed to the tree said love your neighbor and pray for your enemy. My brother in arms who saved my life in Afghanistan who I am working to get out of Kabul is a devout Muslim. Prayer for him and his family. I know our government craped on a lot of people that helped us and hung them out to dry. The village elder that took in the soldier that wrote lone survivor risked not only his life but his entire village, then made one heck of a journey for a young man to get him help let alone a very old man. Those tribesmen are very tough they have to be living in that rugged land . My brother in law spoke highly of one of their interpreters. Yet I stand on my opinion of Islam. Most would dance in my blood gladly and are the least tolerant I know of.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Ohio I was responding to Keith, the old testament is still the belief of non believing jews . The Torah is the old testament and the law is still part of there belief system. Look at the Talmudic religion. And the Noah hide laws. They are anything but peaceful. That doesn't mean that the peaple of those beliefs all practice what there religion teaches. But some do. The instructions telling the questioners that raping, killing infidels, beating your wife, lying, circumsizing women so they feel no sexual pleasure, marrying children, stealing from non believers, killing homosexuals and going on Jihad are good and often even required, are current, unlike the rules in the Old Testament. Keith
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Keith I have not read the Qur'an, I suppose maybee I should so I know what there book actually teaches.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Keith I have not read the Qur'an, I suppose maybee I should so I know what there book actually teaches.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Jc have you read their book? It clearly stated their beliefs. If you are based your beliefs of their beliefs on one the saved you and transferring that affection on all of them when it's Cleary not what their book stated I would say you are dangerously confused.
Look how every Muslim country is ran. Do you mean like supporting the carpet bombing of thousands of civilizations in Gaza?
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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Jc have you read their book? It clearly stated their beliefs. If you are based your beliefs of their beliefs on one the saved you and transferring that affection on all of them when it's Cleary not what their book stated I would say you are dangerously confused.
Look how every Muslim country is ran. Do you mean like supporting the carpet bombing of thousands of civilizations in Gaza? NO I think Israel is way to tolerate and holding back to much and always has.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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There should be a ten year probationary period on all immigrants coming here.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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That would be better addressed through our immigration policies. ROTFLMAO!!!!! What policies? The Libtards have already eliminated any enforcement of what laws we have.
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Re: Restrictions on Freedom of Religion are necessary.
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That would be better addressed through our immigration policies. ROTFLMAO!!!!! What policies? The Libtards have already eliminated any enforcement of what laws we have. Mayorkas should be imprisoned, not impeached.
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