Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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Anyone that knows me well knows I'm not a big fan of scopes and usually shoot open sights. But my dad gave me his 30-06 a couple months ago and it came with a nice old Redfield scope so I thought what the heck, my eyes aren't what they used to be so maybe try a scope.
I soon found out one of the scope screws was a replacement and wouldn't tighten down right. A nice member on here sent me a replacement screw at no cost and I set about sighting in the gun. It was shooting well over a foot high, but I finally got it fairly close and called it a day. The next time I went out, it seemed as if it was off further than what I'd left it at but I thought it was my imagination and began sighting it in again. This time I had it very close when I ran out of ammo and daylight. Like, within an inch of the bullseye. That was a week ago.
I go out today and... 3 inches high, 3 inches left. What the heck! So, I go about re-sighting it in. It seems to just not want to adjust right, but finally I give it a good ol crank and realize I am out of right adjustment which I find very odd. But I try a shot and it's dead on in the bullseye. The next two shots also in the bullseye. Well, I leave the gun in the lead sled and we run up to check the mail. When we get back, I still have 2 shells in the gun so decide to see if I can screw up my perfect record by missing the bullseye, lol.
3 inches left, 4 inches high...both shots.
WHAT is going on?? It must be the scope, right? Think it's just junk? My dad claimed it shot great! I don't get it!
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 08:26 PM
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Start by checking the barrel to the forearm fit. Wood stocks warp after while. Cause weird things to happen as the barrel is touching the stock making it vibrate different every shot. Should be able to slide a dollar bill under the barrel all the way back to the action. Some fore ends were made with a little hump at the end. The barrel sits on it. If yours has that hump a dollar should slide to the action behind the hump.
Another possibility is loose screws that attach the action to the stock.
To check the scope put the gun in something solid. Look through the scope. Move your head a bit without moving the gun, The crosshair should not move.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 08:42 PM
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3 low left at what distance ? 25 or 50 yards it would be hard to belive the stock is pushing it a consistent 12 or 6moa off
if the scope isn't moving , the internals are happens on old scopes when you adjust them the springs that hold the retical don't hold the cross hair tracking to the turret screws.
if it just keeps changing and nothing else is moving then scope
an easy way to see if anything moves , on your rings to base , base to gun , ring to scope connections put a dab of nail polish it will come off with nail polish remover later if after it has hardened and you shoot cracks appear in the laquer things are moving under recoil. clear works , I asked my wife a month ago if she had any she said nope not in years so there I was at the family dollar buying nail polish to mark a sight in my slug gun. clear is hardly noticeable so you can just leave it
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 09:12 PM
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I was shooting at 64 yards. I guesstimated 100 and was more than a little bit off when I measured it out last week, lol.
I like the nail polish idea.
But to narrow it down further, I'm pulling the scope off and sighting in the iron sights tomorrow. At least that way I can determine if the gun or scope is causing the issues.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 09:19 PM
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How many rounds through that gun over the yrs ?
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 09:33 PM
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Check the parallax in your scope also.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 09:36 PM
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If your shooting the same brand ammo, it's gotta be the scope/ mounts.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 11:24 PM
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sounds like stock contact to me. it can be adjusted and it groups. Then it cools down and the POI moves. Are you adjusting after the first shot ? If so try a group before adjusting. It would be unusual for a rifle to group then move after cool down with a scope issue. First real question is what kind of rifle is it bolt action semi auto pump single shot? Brand and model would be helpful . What kind of stock does it have ? Synthetic or wood? I'm not sating it isn't the scope but it kinda isn't acting like the scope. When you changed that screw did you loosen the others and then tighten all of them evenly?
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 11:42 PM
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sounds like stock contact to me. it can be adjusted and it groups. Then it cools down and the POI moves. Are you adjusting after the first shot ? If so try a group before adjusting. It would be unusual for a rifle to group then move after cool down with a scope issue. First real question is what kind of rifle is it bolt action semi auto pump single shot? Brand and model would be helpful . What kind of stock does it have ? Synthetic or wood? I'm not sating it isn't the scope but it kinda isn't acting like the scope. When you changed that screw did you loosen the others and then tighten all of them evenly? Lots of questions, lol. Usually I shoot a group before adjusting. Some adjustments were made after a single shot though after spending over a hundred bucks already trying to get this figured out, lol. So, it varies. The last one was the kicker though. Adjusted, shot a group of three all of which were within 1 1/4" inch, waited 10 minutes and then group of 2 (last two shells) were both 3" high and 3" left. It is an older bolt action, probably 60s-70s manufacture if I had to guess but I wish I could tell you make and model. There's no freaking marks on it other than (I believe) 5 numbers. Nothing else. But that's a post for another day. Wood stock. Yes, I tightened all bolts evenly when I put the scope back in the rings.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/09/23 11:55 PM
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nothing but a SN# sounds like a sporterized Mauser they would grind the stamping off there was plenty of metal for it
a picture would be great
anything made in the 60s -70s for commercial manufacture should have a make and model by 1968 they required a make model and Sn# be pressent on every gun manufacured of imported
however mauser actions were often cleaned of anything but a SN#
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/10/23 12:08 AM
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Don't think it's a Mauser. Will get pics tomorrow.
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Re: Scope sighting-in dilemma.
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12/10/23 12:08 AM
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Just take a scope off one of your other guns and switch them out,sight in both and then you will know right away if its the scope or not.
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