Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/11/23 10:45 PM
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I think what you're saying is the brush is getting to thick to not get a shot where your going through some brush.
my cousin is a huge fan of the 243 on deer for many years he used to do crop damage tags for some big orchards he has shot hundreds of deer with the 243 , that was until he had a few where there was brush in the swamp he was hunting and he watched the brush explode and the deer keep going untouched.
so he started asking about better brush guns
12ga is one of the better answers if your going through some brush just because of weight 45-70 also weight slow and heavy keeps trucking with the least deviation. everything has deviation. heavier things take a greater outside force. obviously those are also a lot of recoil
we did some deflection testing with 308 because he was thinking 308 we did 150 and 180gr rounds hitting plywood target at 25 yards we started with a big sheet of cardboard behind about 5 yards and we kept backing up the carboard and shooting groups into the plywood
180s were better than 150s
the deflection was taking a 1 inch group I was intentionally moving around a little bit trying to catch the edge of hole in the wood and making it a 6-8 inch groups 15 yards behind the target
the conclusion we came too is if the deer is in some brush like 3-5 yards into willows that you can see but might hit something 180gr 308 should work if your shooting out of the brush and will hit it with more than 10 yards to target nothing is going to work the way you want.
a Big question would be could you cut some shooting lanes ? a little time with a saw or loppers might make a lot more sense than a heavier bullet firing rifle. after all she is recoil sensitive.
does PA allow semi auto rifles now ? if your going to go heavier semi auto takes some of the recoil out of it
Brakes , you trade noise for recoil , if your directly behind the rifle you don't notice it much but if your next to the person shooting you feel the pressure wave. if your trying to shoot a brake in a confined space like a box blind , you better have that muzzle out the window or it is going to be very very loud ear drum damaging.
how do you feel about a suppressor , it takes a lot of the felt recoil out as well as a good share of the noise , yes it means a tax stamp and money and it would have to be legal to hunt with in your state. I don't know your regs.
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/11/23 10:46 PM
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Agreed not the fault of the .243, if dad wouldn’t have gotten so enamored with how well the 85 grain sst’s shot and dropped the 100 gr corelocks, it might have been different, if dad would have realized it was a 120-130 inch 10 point I might have pushed it more, if pap and little sis didn’t have a couple down for dad to take care of it probably been different, but at any rate dad’s gonna use it as an excuse to buy another gun. Gotcha. 100 grain corlokts is what I shot in the 243. If your shooting a 100yds or less accuracy of a bullet shouldn't be an issue and sst are a somewhat fragile bullet by design.
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/11/23 11:05 PM
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I'll join the crowd endorsing the 7mm-08. My son killed with one shot a young bull moose with a 7mm-08, and recoil is mild.
I hate muzzle brakes and take them off any rifle that comes with one. You need double hearing protection and I hate the blast in the face worse than recoil.
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/11/23 11:08 PM
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Bush growing in? I have an extra very nice Marlin 30-30 lever gun here….
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/11/23 11:12 PM
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.243 with good bullets are fine. A bigger caliber ain't gonna do squat..
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Mando]
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12/11/23 11:17 PM
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Just use a better bullet. Naw. never expect a bullet (any bullet/ caliber) to perform unless on its intended target. Brush busting bullets is a farce!.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Yes sir]
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12/12/23 12:11 AM
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I'd be curious to here where the 243 falls short. I feel it's a very solid caliber on whitetail out to at least 200 yds. If I was going to step up from there I'd go the 7mm 08 or 270. My son lost a deer at 12 with a 243. Well placed shot just lot of under brush and short visibility. Problem with a 24; is very little blood trail . I found the deer a week later about 75 yards Issue was the deer ducked back in the thicket but was out of sight in 3 leaps. It was on a well worn trail But turned 180 degrees and went into a mass of briars . No exit wound no blood. Next season he was carrying a 270
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/12/23 12:17 AM
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I’ve killed a truckload of deer with a 6 mm. But lot of them won’t have a blood trail . Bigger caliber such as a 270 30-06 WILL. I’ve hunted property like he is talking about . 3 steps and you can’t see the deer . Neck shots are the answer but he’s talking a his daughter so chest cavity is target . Not so much of not killing the deer but it dying in sight because of lack of blood trail. The comment about he needs to just buy more property is just nuts . The other that there won’t be any animals in few years must be an ag deer hunter. Deer is just an overgrown rabbit. Black berries are the second most sought out browse in my areas only behind honey suckle You think a heavier caliber won’t anchor them better you need to talk to the boys out west . 300 win mag seems to be their choice Can’t believe no one had mentioned the obvious choice for the young lady. 350 legend.
Sorry black oak missed your post
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: bucksnbears]
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12/12/23 12:19 AM
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.243 with good bullets are fine. A bigger caliber ain't gonna do squat..
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/12/23 12:23 AM
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Switch bullets ,Barnes makes great ones .
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
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Just use a better bullet. Naw. never expect a bullet (any bullet/ caliber) to perform unless on its intended target. Brush busting bullets is a farce!. Yep^^^
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Re: Looking to buy a new rifle
[Re: Striperfred]
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12/12/23 03:18 AM
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Lots of good responses in this thread. As others have said I also think 7mm-08 would be a great option for her. 243's aren't bad though, as although a touch on the light side for me they make for a nice deer gun, but a shot that isn't placed well can lead to a wounded or lost animal more often than w the little bit larger calibers, seen it several times. In the 30 yrs I've been whitetail hunting the rifles I've primarily used (in order) were 30-30, 30-06, 270, 300wm, and 308 which is what I've used now for several yrs and really like. 7mm-08 is an awesome round however, had I gotten one earlier I might not have the 308, it’s about perfect for deer imo especially in that 140 gr range. It utilizes an ideally sized .284 bullet and delivers excellent energy with good bc's. (Again, this is in reference to whitetail hunting.) No it's not one of the relatively newer gen high bc bullets like 6.5cm or 300prc but the vast majority of deer hunters will really never realize any of the benefit those high bc bullets offer. And in terms of recoil a 7mm-08 is already fairly tame but can be made even easier shooting by going down to 120gr or so and still have plenty of energy. It's not that I dislike the 243, just that I think there's several better offerings for deer sized game. A nice 7mm-08 is a gun she can grow with and will likely be her primary gun going forward as there’s really no need for anything else.
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