Don’t know about ampromorpho whatever but I do know if a dog of mine or otherwise peed on my bed THAT dog would never see the inside of my house again.

Osky

Dont be silly, inside dogs own their "masters".

It's a female Blue Lacey. Point was = Jealousy is an emotion. SO why not revenge?? Revenge can or could be learned behavior. Is that so hard to convince

I think what wayne was sayin is a coyotes mindset changes once he goes under that fence
There isnt much playin around its kill and get out thats due to pressure it can be vastly diffrent in areas that have sheep compared to areas with sheep and years of control work that has veen kept up
Look.at raegan county vs crockett used to be like two worlds in a span of a hundred or so miles
Lots of history there

I wont get into "revenge" killing. But coyotes under pressure 365 days a year learn to adapt
And to avoid. Surplus killing or thrill killing is documented ive seen it plenty in my career

Many times it has gotten personal but it is what it is.
Somethings you just cant explain you just deal with it

So I’ve seen this behavior.

I’m disinclined to call it “revenge killing” though. And I generally consider coyotes to be one of the smartest animals in North America.

I believe it’s more an act of frustration, and hormone driven. That time of year they’re swimmin in a cornucopia of chemicals. Remove that offspring stimulation and those chemicals change again.

And we have to remember, we’re talking about a female here, so maybe a little over reaction by nature.



I’ll tell ya what’s more likely these days, Joe blow hot shot caller decides he’s gonna start “decoyin and denning” because “it looks fun”.

He gets all excited at how aggressive his dog is as it chases every coyote into the next township because he’s hunting to early. Than he finally sucks in an ultra aggressive screamer and smokes it, of course it’s a male. He almost gets tennis elbow from all the back slaps he gives himself as he thinks about all the turdy point bucks and lambs he just saved.

Unbeknownst to him he left behind momma and the kids. Her hand is forced into targeting the easiest food source she has available. Which in sheep country, is sheep! What’s more, she turns into a ghost, she’s vulnerable and she knows it!

As far as coyotes behaving differently when they get in the sheep.

A friend was just talking yesterday about coyotes working big baits differently due to all the thermal guys baiting coyotes the last few years.

Same thing.

TravC. I get what your saying. I just think we should keep an open mind. It is true. Until we can find a talking coyote. We will never know the whole truth! LoL! Look at Ozona Texas. Wasn't it basically the birth place of = The 1905 predator Acts. As in the first money allocated for predators wars? Those coyotes have been = chased trapped poisoned Ariel gun ran with dogs and so on for last 120 years. I want to keep an open mind. Maybe they don't seek revenge? Maybe they do ?

I didnt say they didnt.
I said somethings you just cant explain.
Very familiar with crockett and raegan county

Boone what do you think about = Where water is scarce. Sitting ONLY with proper wind. Over know water holes or tanks to kill coyotes? Have hear a few USDA guys talk about it as an effective tactic. Please give me your opinion. Is it worth drop money on thermal?

I get what your saying ! I have seen a few things here. That impress me. Some truly intelligent coyotes ! LOL! Make a man want to pull his hair out

I think that's human reasoning. Animals don't have morals; they don't know good from bad, especially wild animals. Domestic animals can be taught behavior, sure. No such thing as a good coyote or bad coyote. When instinct or hunger kicks in, no more good coyote, it does what it needs to survive.

I don't believe they kill for revenge or fun. It's and instinctual frenzy. Had a wildlife guy that was working on a duck study in Idaho. Several wild ducks trapped in some type of fencing they would set up. He said, if a coon got in there it would kill every duck in the enclosure and not eat one. He felt it was a coon just doing what is instinctual and would get in a frenzy, just a reaction to the situation. Makes sense to me.

I truly believe thermals are the most overrated thing out there. It is the “foxpro phenomenon” 2.0.

If just half these shooters killed just half of what they claim they did, there would be no use for any control men because there wouldn’t hardly be a coyote left out there!

A GOOD thermal setup is gonna set a guy back $12-15k or more.

$12-15k can buy a LOT of traps and snares and I guarantee you what one is more effective at getting the tough coyotes, at getting coyotes quickly, and at reducing a population and keeping it suppressed.

Silky. The same is said for the Mt lion. But. You can read of anywhere from a few to = 127 sheep killed in 1 nite. That # may not be 100% correct. BUT in I think Paul Stanley book I read it. Over 100 sheep dead is point. Another point is we know Mt lion kills for fun. I get that some are = prey moves animal attacks. Basic reflex. But ALL the high # of kill. Maybe a few where for fun is the point. So if 1 animal kills for fun. Is it not possible another does as well?? I have read about sheep herders in South America watch sheep be killed for pure fun by Mt lion. I just think. It maybe possible. The coyote kills for revenge. BUT I maybe wrong.

Boone. Thanks for the advice. I agree on the calling. I have yet to even try any here. Did use siren a few times to locate in summer. I looked at AGM for about 4000 grand. It will get job done on pigs. That what I used to guide for back in Alabama. My thinking was this. Set up im summer on water holes at night. Place I'm on now has VERY little water on 100000 acres. No calling. Just set with right wind and wait. I confess. I get bored sometimes at sheep camp! LOL!

Sounds to me like a whole bunch of wolf lover nonsense, who claim that killing a wolf can disrupt the pack hierarchy and result in increased predation or stock depredation.

These coyotes sound like quite the Critter. Great information guys I’m all ears, in this case eyes.

Osky

It's a VERY good topic! Stuff like this is ^^^^^ is interesting to talk about ! LoL!

… it was a coyote that killed JFK

You are confuseing that with the "breeding frenzy" bs the antis use

At least get the right argument to use before you call somethin nonsense

Was the roadrunner. He was from minnesotta and mad about it