I have read a lot of Wolf and coyote literature in the last few years by some of the top Wolf and Coyote men in the country that mention revenge killing. Meaning, you take out a particular animal and a survivor from the group goes on a livestock killing spree. A couple questions ? Has anyone on here ever witnessed this ? If this actually happens, is this not proof that these animals do have the ability to think ? I live in Michigan and it's very rare for coyotes at least in my area to harm livestock. I just think there is so much food they don't have to ? I'm pretty sure I have had a few beavers do revenge cuts. Take out a couple from the colony and boom, the most important tree on the property goes down. I'm kidding !! I have always been intrigued by this topic and was just curious what others thought ?

… it was a coyote that killed JFK

I remember reading somewhere where turkeys were being hunted hard for many years and some toms simply gobbled less than others. What was happening was the Tom’s that gobbled more were being killed and the ones left where the ones that didn’t gobble much. Those traits were being passed on through generations and in that area there were a lot of Tom’s that just didn’t gobble and were harder to hunt.

I also remember reading that same thing about rattlesnakes. There was some place where they were hunted and after awhile through generations there was a lot or rattlesnakes that weren’t rattling.

I heard/read some of those same things as well. But can you believe everything you read. As far as the turkeys, it wasn’t the fact of humans killing them, it was the gobbling on the roost and coyotes or cats getting them when they flew down and gobbled. Their gobbling was luring in the predators. But I just read a study from TFT that disputed that claim based on radio collared birds in high density predator areas.
I do know turkeys have a hierarchy and only the dominant will gobble. We see this every Spring. Kill the loud mouth (only bird gobbling) and go back a few days later and hear multiple birds gobbling. I think it occurs with elk as well from what I’ve read. Think they call them satellite Bulls. They keep quiet and sneak in to steal a few cows for their own little harem.

Boone I think you make many of my points and we are in agreement on most.

I stand pat on too many people buying too much equipment in the expectation of big results, accomplishing the opposite.

Osky

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Don't know if you're an O'Gorman fan but he talks about this in his writings, all three snaring,traps and calling some very cool insight on this subject.

No problem Nate, I didn’t think any odd thing you were implying. Context in these forums is seldom crystal clear and not worth getting goofy over, at least not to me.

Osky