I do not think this country as founded can survive on its current trajectory. I'm convinced that all branches of government are corrupt and have been compromised. I think our election process is broken and I think the election in 2020 was stolen.

If the voting process no longer works, and I don' think it does, then we as citizens are left with the 2A as an alternative. It is actually our "duty" according to the founders.

We have let so many other people in this country that do not share our same culture, values, beliefs, etc, and we have allowed our leaders and those in power to be ruled by wicked and evil forces such as greed, money, power, and world economies. Many in this country, including many in government, would just as soon do away with the Bill of Rights and replace it with something else. Since I believe this is where we are at, I think that the greatest experiment and country in the world is going to fall without a shot being fired. To me that is tragically sad.

Still dont get how a bloody civil war will result in any kind of utopia

Not fantasizing about a civil war, but my stats are, 70, 190lbs, 5’9”, still working as an industrial Forester doing consultant work , easily can walk 10 miles per day while marking timber, this past summer walked 11 miles through the Adirondack Wilderness with no trail to catch 2 lb brook trout, and bet I could run a mile in under 7 minutes. Anytime you want to try following me through the ADK Mtns. you are welcome to try .

Study history. No republic has ever survived.

I do not wish for it. I see it as an inevitability whether we want it or not.

The corollary is that if we must then let's get it on in my time so my grandchildren don't have to.

That or we shall be enslaved for at least two generations.

I don’t think it’s douche bag thinking to consider whose children are going to be dying when it becomes inevitable children are going to die.

Thats about where I stand as well.

A lot more kids will die if the folks that propagate the WEF and such have their way. Reducing the world population ( quite drastically ) is part of the plan. The ones that live would be little better than slaves. In my book, folks who just trudge along with that are the real douche bags ... well worse than that but it is a kid friendly forum so I'll try to be PC

Thats about where I stand as well.

A lot more kids will die if the folks that propagate the WEF and such have their way. Reducing the world population ( quite drastically ) is part of the plan. The ones that live would be little better than slaves. In my book, folks who just trudge along with that are the real douche bags ... well worse than that but it is a kid friendly forum so I'll try to be PC

We get it
Yall want to spark a civil war that will very well result in deaths comparable to the civil war in order
To prevent deaths
Lets just get to it then based on a "slim chance" it would work as warrior stated

No more talk about actually being there to vote in local and presidential elections
Getting involved in your community (useless right?)

Nope lets just start killin anyone who disagrees with us
because there is a "slim chance" a outright civil war
might work after thousands of people not on one side or another die

Seems legit

Thats douchery
Total and utter douchery

The left is batchit crazy
But hopeing for a war is just as batchit crazy
That is a line when crossed rarely brings a country to a happy conclusion
Rome had many civil wars how did that go? nations empires civilizatiins rose and fell for multitudes of reasons
they no longer exist. At least we still have a process that may work without a huge cost of peoples lives in a outright war
We have our issues but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is all a civil war would do


the cost is way more then the reward. Id rather be upset with a legislature or a president then i would be willing
To support a war that would destroy a generation or two


Look at the news those countrys overseas killing eachother man women and child is what some are askin
For.

We aint seen a end to war. But sure as hel shouldnt ask for it