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Todays Wolf News! #8027235
12/21/23 04:09 PM
12/21/23 04:09 PM
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Two wolves released on Dec. 18, 2023, in Grand County, Colorado, 2302-OR, a juvenile female, black color, 68 pounds, and 2303-OR, a juvenile male, gray color, 76 pounds, come from the Five Points Pack. According to Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife Livestock Depredation Investigations, Five Points pack wolves injured one calf and killed another in separate depredations in July of 2023; killed a cow on Dec. 5, 2022; and injured a 900-pound yearling heifer on July 17, 2022.

On July 21, OFW authorized the killing of up to four wolves from the Five Points Pack after two attacks on livestock within a week, which were the second and third depredations in the area within eight months. USDA employees killed two adult females, one adult male, and a yearling female from the problem pack by Aug. 4.

CPW Director Jeff Davis and his staff testified before the House Agriculture Committee on Sept. 12, 2023, that they would do everything possible not to bring “problem” wolves to Colorado. An email to CPW asking why they released Five Points pack wolves from the chronically depredating pack have not yet been returned.


According to John Williams, the co-chair of the Oregon Cattlemen’s Association Wolf Committee who serves as the Eastern Oregon Wolf Committee Chair. He has been involved with the association’s Wolf Committee since its inception in 1996. Williams retired from a long career as an Extension agent at Oregon State University. He was an associate professor in the Department of Animal and Range Sciences at OSU where he worked for over 31 years. He began in 2008 conducting wolf/cattle interaction research and continued that work with a cadre of researchers until his retirement.

Williams said there is controversy whether removing a specific problem wolf from a depredating pack will stop the depredation. He said there is no research to support that, and the findings on the ground do not support the theory. Rather, he said, wolf pack size has some bearing on whether a pack depredates livestock.


“Once a pack starts to depredate on livestock, they tend to include livestock in their diet in the future,” he said. “It does not say they always eat livestock but it’s more like they acquire a taste for it, they like it, and they stay on it and they may not.”

VISIT TO COLORADO

Williams visited the Gunnison, Colo., area and said the release sites are very close in proximity to private lands and with wolves traveling hundreds of miles over the course of a week, the scale of wolf territory is sizable. To answer the question of what wolves are going to eat, he said, isn’t unlike a group of six teenagers in a car driving down a street filled with restaurants.

“To answer the question what they’re going to eat is just like that group of teenagers,” he said. “One of them will pipe up and say they’re hungry and the next restaurant they come to is the one they’ll likely turn into unless the alpha male, the driver in this instance, says they’re going somewhere else.”

He said over-analyzing what a wolf will eat next is just that: over-analyzing.

“That’s a long answer to your short question of will these wolves that were sent to Colorado going to depredate on livestock,” he said. “The answer is yes. Right away? I don’t know.”

In Oregon, Williams said the highest depredation incidences tend to be during times when cattle are concentrated from gathering in the fall in August through December. Depredations slow when cattle are close to the ranches and elk are readily available.

“The simple answer is once a pack of wolves recognizes that steak is good, they will include that in their diet in the future,” he said. “The Five Points Pack had four wolves removed because they were chronically depredating in July and August.”

Williams said one of the ranchers who experienced depredation losses from the Five Points pack reported a 28% decrease in conception rates and also reported about 20 head of calves missing when pairs were gathered in the fall. Those calves are likely wolf kills, but the calves were never found, something that isn’t uncommon.

Dead cows and calves, he said, is not the ranchers’ biggest issue. Reduced conception rates, weaning weights, drops in body condition scores in the cows, increased management costs, he said, are the greater impacts.

“The confirmed kill list is a small piece of what’s actually happening out there on the ground,” he said. “The Five Point pack is a problem pack and has been. They have taken four wolves out of it and it sounds to me like someone tried to convince (CPW) that they took the four wolves out and they haven’t depredated since then or haven’t been seen depredating since then, that the problem has been solved in that pack and that’s just not the case.”

The release of five wolves comes just six days after CPW confirmed a wolf attack on a calf owned by Jackson County rancher Don Gittleson. Gittleson attended a CPW meeting in Moffat County following the release. According to Steamboat Radio, Gittleson answered questions from other ranchers in the room. He told the group he is particularly angry with the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center hosting a Wolf Naming Contest among students in grades 5-8. The contest includes an educational script for the teacher to utilize.

“Kids shouldn’t be put in the middle of this,” Gittleson said.

This story is from TheFencePost.com
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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027299
12/21/23 05:39 PM
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More obvious deception from the wolves are wonderful folks. Why am I not surprised?

More discouraging is the lack of attention or concern to the depredation issue by the Colorado FandG. Complicit in a fraud might be a better term.
One lies and the other swears to it, brought to you live by the very people were supposed to trust and support with our outdoor pursuits.

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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027302
12/21/23 05:42 PM
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If makes perfect since. The people that re pro wolf are also anti hunting and anti farmer/rancher.

So wolf's wipe out the game species and bankrupt ranchers its a win win. For them.

Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027322
12/21/23 06:07 PM
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Big nothingburger.There were thousands of wolves on the plains and mountains back in the day for thousands of years,and millions of buffalo and other game.
Likely way more cattle on the plains now than there ever were buffalo.
Big nothingburger.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Boco] #8027337
12/21/23 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Big nothingburger.There were thousands of wolves on the plains and mountains back in the day for thousands of years,and millions of buffalo and other game.
Likely way more cattle on the plains now than there ever were buffalo.
Big nothingburger.

and no one owned the buffalo and expected to make an income from them with inputs and outputs

no one likes to take losses on a herd

and buffalo weren't fenced in ether they could go where they needed too


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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027395
12/21/23 07:08 PM
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Wolves now are not the same breed of wolves in the west of long ago.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027414
12/21/23 07:29 PM
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A couple 1000 of them should take care of the elk herd.

Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Monster Toms] #8027434
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The elk and mule deer will be on the endangered species list soon, but at least CO will have wolves!!!

Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: crowheart] #8027507
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Originally Posted by crowheart
They did hurt the Moose herds in Wy.

Ohh No Yeah and not only Wy.


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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Boco] #8027508
12/21/23 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Big nothingburger.There were thousands of wolves on the plains and mountains back in the day for thousands of years,and millions of buffalo and other game.
Likely way more cattle on the plains now than there ever were buffalo.
Big nothingburger.


It’s not a nothingburger to the people losing livestock and suffering lower procreation rates in their livestock due to wolves Boco. Many stock growers survive on a whole lot less than one might think and throwing this uncontrollable problem in the mix for no better reason than antis feelings comes to nothing.
If you look at recorded writings of the wests beginnings there was actually less wildlife than is managed today. This was brought up recently on another forum, I’ll try to source it. Buffalo and beaver the exception.

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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Osky] #8027586
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Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by Boco
Big nothingburger.There were thousands of wolves on the plains and mountains back in the day for thousands of years,and millions of buffalo and other game.
Likely way more cattle on the plains now than there ever were buffalo.
Big nothingburger.


It’s not a nothingburger to the people losing livestock and suffering lower procreation rates in their livestock due to wolves Boco. Many stock growers survive on a whole lot less than one might think and throwing this uncontrollable problem in the mix for no better reason than antis feelings comes to nothing.
If you look at recorded writings of the wests beginnings there was actually less wildlife than is managed today. This was brought up recently on another forum, I’ll try to source it. Buffalo and beaver the exception.

Osky

You forgot Indians.(who were in balance within the food chain)

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Re: Todays Wolf News! [Re: Boco] #8027599
12/21/23 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Big nothingburger.There were thousands of wolves on the plains and mountains back in the day for thousands of years,and millions of buffalo and other game.
Likely way more cattle on the plains now than there ever were buffalo.
Big nothingburger.



Don't you have Reindeer to feed or something?


I have nothing clever to put here.





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