Ok so curious about something there , probably comes off a stupid but wanted thoughts and other experiences with this. Anyone ever run a capped turreted scope without or both caps ? If so how did it work out for you ? Arken is about to drop their new scope and is about perfect . In both price and size.I have one of their current ones and it's great, just its friggen massive , amazing scope for the price imo , just bigger then I'd like for alot of applications would like something more like my SWFA size and feature wise (just more compact and easier to pack around less extra stuff I don't want as well).
But other then the reticle it's got capped turrets and having to in screw the cap so I can get to the turret to do a quick dial would be a little bit of a pain . I've done it with my tasco but egh I've missed a few shots because of it not many but a few. Anyhow how bad of an idea is is to run without at least the elevation cap ? I'm not hunting off in the mountains or anything so I'm not super rough on my gear but still

What rifle do you have that needs that scope?
All that crap is useless for a 300 yards an under .

I went and looked at their web site

most new scopes when you spin off the O ring sealed gasket are now tool less and allow zero reset

I have 1 scope with target turrets it is a target gun to me so it makes sense

most everything I have that is current is capped tool less turrets they just don't make a point to advertise it

it used to be you had to use a coin or screw driver to turn the turrets but mostly not the case on newer scopes

this is a basic 2-7x32 Vortex CrossfireII the I spun the windage cap off so you can see what it looks like underneath

you can see I didn't bother to zero my dial it is sitting at 1 to zero it you loosen the screw set the number to zero then hold the dial as you tighten the screw and you are zeroed

my rule is after zero don't dial in corrections unless your target shooting the same target repeatedly
and generally don't dial in anything but the zero on budget scopes , because they don't alwas track perfect , they are budget

and 265 for the scope your looking for still puts it in budget territory

what this style of turrets is nice for is you go play a the range you take the caps off , your done playing at the range you confirm your zero at 200 and screw the caps back on and go hunting
especially with a scale in your retical you don't worry about taking a cap off to make a change for a hunting target , you make the adjustment for your called wind and elevation in the retical.
simplified windage until you exceed a 20mph full value wind at 300 yards don't worry about the wind on most things 308 or faster

this is 308win my hunting load the scope has 1.5moa , 4.5 moa 7.5moa and 11moa elevation hashes
I am honestly not very likely to even get a 300 yard shot but I have tested at 300 , 400 and even 420 just using the retical and it works just fine and no time wasted

Gets turrets and hold over reticles get used on my stuff all the time. Especially my .22lr's and air rifles



About everything I shoot regularly has a table made up on my phone and on a dope card with the ammo


Due to my terrain I can go from shooting at 50yd in this stuff



to the shooting out 500yd to the other end of a cow pasture in no time so like the versatility of having a hold over reticle or being able to dial my dope. I've missed a lot of potential firsts with he whole sight in at this distance and it will hit here at this distance. I know it works wonderfully for many and I'm happy for them honestly but not for me so far. And honestly as much as I don't mind sharing my mistakes and blunders it does get a little old at times.

Further more I don't like tracking at all I want to do as many bang flops as I can and with that there a lot of precise shots I need to make . In that case I'll dial every time I can. If I have a scope tha tracks well and I have my dope card and range I see no reason why I shouldn't.

Also I just learn from my mistakes and experiences.
Calling at dusk ,gets kinda dark so illuminated reticles at nice.
Some times animals get closer then you think they will so having something can go pretty low power is nice
Non graduated reticles suck for making follow up or moving shots.
Non graduated reticles really suck for range finding.
Super complicated reticles also suck alot of times in actual filed use
Having a scope that can go down to a low power and have a illuminated reticle is basically hllike having a red dot and is really nice for brush work
And the list goes one

But basically I just stacking the odds in my favor as much as I can for as many contingencies as I can. Might never have to need a nice tracking turret for 300 shots or something but for that one time I do I don't want to be like people Ive talked to and no be able to make that good shot out to the corner of the pasture. I don't want to potentially miss my first called in coyote because it was dark and I couldn't see my non illuminated reticle.
Heck if we really wanna go off in fairy tale land , if crap hits the fan and I need to feed my family I want to be able to effectively take game out as far as I possibly can . Deer wants to sit out @400yd and it just set where that's as close as I can get ? Cool beans dial up and send it.
Hope for the best plan for the worst. Might not need any of it most of the time but when I do I won't have any excuses

wolfie, arken sh4J 6x24 317 bucks shipped tyd, from amazon, check it out, watch the tracking video

Already got the 4-16 ( took you advice from a while back ) lives on my AR nice scope tracks like a dream , nice illumination but like I said a bit big lol.....that being said I might end up getting this one too keep it for a magnum that's coming up

ok, but the 6x24 is going up 100 bucks jan. 1

Seriously?! Ugh well lemme see how much my property taxes is then

Gotta ask how's the eyebox / relief on the crossfires ? I got diamond back for cheap and the eye box /relief kinda sucks

Wolfie, I know you're absorbed into this stuff.
But this drives me nuts!
A good 3x9 scope with plain x reticle will do everything you need and 10x faster.
Looking through that scope in a spur of the moment shot would freak me the #&²* out!
When you do call in a coyote, you will very seldom have time to range it an dial in.
In my opinion, (take it for what's it worth), you are wasting time and $ chasing a dream.
From what I've seen you post of your rifles, you have nothing that comes close to needing nothing that needs a scope like you posted about.

Actually, a good quality 2x7 straight X would suit you much better.
It's you $$ though.

I’ve always just used the marks on the recital that’s what they’re for, I find it a lot faster than moving the turret, as far as spur of the moment shot practice is a lot of it if you get used to seeing range you know what mark goes on the target and shoot.

Wolfdog91. what is the red/orange thing off the end of the barrel?

the higher the magnification the less forgiving they are on eye box

the 2-7 runs about 3.5 to 3.7 inches of eye relief which is why you see my scopes mounted fairly far forward on EGW rails with an extended ring

which diamondback do you have my 4-12 tactical seems decent

the 2-7 scopes are almost always on 2x unless I am sighting in , the stuff I shoot is almost always inside 100 and moving.

magneto speed chronograph

it picks up the magnetic disturbance from the bullet passing over to give you a real muzzle velocity.

I run a more traditional chronograph and it requires good light and you put it 15 feet from the muzzle.
the up side is it can measure anything from archery to air rifles and shotguns and pistols

the magneto speed can be a little hard to mount on some pistols but it is great for capturing speeds in low light , and on rifles while you shoot at a target.

I could’ve shot 10 deer with the .308 with a plain Jane Leupold out to 250yds by the time I read all this. Anything past that and I have trouble picking out buttons and that’s stretching it.
Get a rifle and scope, sight it in for 100 or 200 or 300 and shoot it at 100, 200, 300. You see where your bullet hits for each range. Mine, shooting 165gr CoreLokts, will kill at 250yds holding dead on the shoulder. Very very very rare I’m shooting past 250yds. I’d have to know the buck or make sure it’s not a button. Heck my thermal is set up the same, although 200 is about the max I’ve shot coyotes or hogs with it.
I can tell you with hunting at night or low light, unless your scope has a built in range finder you’re not going to be able to range and most of the time you won’t have time. Sight that joker in for whatever range and practice shooting at different ranges.
I pick one caliber and bullet and make it happen for everything, lol. Heck with all this gotta have different guns and scopes for hogs, deer, coyotes, etc.

I have that same scope on a 308 and like it a lot. Those turrets are dead on ....but you are right, it is a bit chunky but will get another arken for my 06