Re: Some Stone Artifacts
[Re: KeithC]
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A small turtle back scraper, made out of a chert nodule. I found it on my farm. I noticed it a few days ago and finally picked it up today. The rounded spot on the right was pecked and then ground out to hold the maker's thumb. There are scratches where a smaller rock was moved back and forth, to deepen the hole and produce some grip on the smooth chert. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2022/06/full-11798-141226-8c8241cb_3eb6_4b7c_84ba_12f2ab0ebda7.jpeg) The upper right side is steak knife sharp. Flakes were knocked off on both sides and the edge was ground too. The bottom edge had a series of shallow flakes knocked off and then was ground to hold the side of the maker's index finger. The ident for the index finger is deep enough that the index finger would not touch the item being scraped. The scraper was used enough there is the start of a polished area going down from the sharp edge in what looks like a triangle with a small square on the edge. The polished area looks lighter grey in the picture. The fairly straight edge on the left, is the steak knife like one. It may be a small flesher. Keith
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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In no way do I mean this to demean Native Americans, but have you ever wondered; If Europeans had never landed in the western hemisphere would the Indians still be in the stone-age? I think they would be. Just think, the eastern hemisphere in the computer age and here in north America it would still be as is was before Columbus discovered this place.
It amazes me that the rest of the world discovered bronze and iron thousands of years ago, yet the native Americans were still in the stone-age. I wonder why? Not exactly right because they were smelting copper around 3500 bp in North America (Lake Superior region) and making projectile points from them.
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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In no way do I mean this to demean Native Americans, but have you ever wondered; If Europeans had never landed in the western hemisphere would the Indians still be in the stone-age? I think they would be. Just think, the eastern hemisphere in the computer age and here in north America it would still be as is was before Columbus discovered this place.
It amazes me that the rest of the world discovered bronze and iron thousands of years ago, yet the native Americans were still in the stone-age. I wonder why? Not exactly right because they were smelting copper around 3500 bp in North America (Lake Superior region) and making projectile points from them. Old Copper Culture artifacts from the Great Lakes were cold hammered to shape. There is no evidence of smelting.
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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Yes, it's the same basic tool. Once the sharp edge was lost, with a little grinding of the edge or the knapping off a few flakes, the scrapers were sharp and ready to use again. Keith
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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In no way do I mean this to demean Native Americans, but have you ever wondered; If Europeans had never landed in the western hemisphere would the Indians still be in the stone-age? I think they would be. Just think, the eastern hemisphere in the computer age and here in north America it would still be as is was before Columbus discovered this place.
It amazes me that the rest of the world discovered bronze and iron thousands of years ago, yet the native Americans were still in the stone-age. I wonder why? Not exactly right because they were smelting copper around 3500 bp in North America (Lake Superior region) and making projectile points from them. I don't know if "smelting" would really be the correct term, If they were merely melting native copper (like nuggets), then that would be understandable. However, if they were smelting ores containing copper compounds like sulfides and oxides, then I would find that truly amazing. The reason gold and to a lesser extent silver was being used in Mesoamerica is because those metals a often found in their native state. The only other metals that are occasionally found that way are the platinum group metals and copper. All other metals require some pretty advance understanding of technology in order to recover from ores.
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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12/22/23 09:01 AM
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Very nice collections! Thank you all for sharing. Here's a piece a friend found on his wife's family farm. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/12/full-553-201065-1000002816.jpg)
Last edited by Gary Benson; 12/22/23 09:02 AM.
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Re: Some Stone Artifacts
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Nice stuff,,,, But since I identify as a Native American….. please send all of it to me , so we do not have to go through legal challenges……
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