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Re: Almost done [Re: Vinke] #8029878
12/24/23 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinke
exactly what I was thinking..........lol

You were thinking and smoke was rising


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8029882
12/24/23 02:02 PM
12/24/23 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
I mulled thing over this morning and came to the conclusion that you can build one of these even if ya can't weld. You could make all those joints with sturdy angle bolted to the box sections with rivet nuts etc. It would take a little longer and involve a lot of drilling etc. But it would sure work. As I said before, I am lazy so I welded things together that do not have to come apart or need to be adjusted in time. But what I am saying is that anyone can build one of these and other things if ya just sit down a minute and think about it. I have about 800 bucks in this thing for materials that I had to buy ..... the rest id re purposed stuff. From a floating dock, a boat trailer, a old 6x6 ATV a boat prop shaft ... the " dash " with the switches and relays is a 30 cal ammo box.
I don't know if " Mechano sets" were ever a thing on this side of the pond. But think of it as metal LEGO. where you get to build stuff out of little strips and able of metal with small nuts and bolts. I has a bunch of that stuff as a kid. Now as a semi adult, I few the whole world as a large size mechanic set. So if ya put yer mind to it, there is almost nothing that ya can't fix or if it cant me fixed .. make it new. All of my tools are in a 8x19 foot enclosed trailer including the work benches. Even my hand loading stuff has room in there. So ya don't need a big shop either as an excuse not to make what you want.
Using this saw mill as an example. As a whole it may look daunting for someone to build it. But its just like eating an elephant ..... you do a little bit at a time. Divide the job up into smaller and smaller components and concentrate on each component ... then it all comes together a bit at a time. I did not make a single drawing for this thing and just " made it up " as i went along. Its part of the big elephant of building a house by myself with the materials that grow on my property. For that house I need lumber. So I need to build a machine to make that lumber.

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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8029916
12/24/23 02:36 PM
12/24/23 02:36 PM
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Here ya gp Flipper ..... rollers installed and adjusted so the blade stays A on the drive wheels and B parallel to the carriage .... one is movable to account for the different log / lumber dimensions to get close .....electrickery and plumbing water and fuel is next. ...... Soooo what are you up to on Christmas eve day ?? laugh


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The guy doing the QC on my welds does not seem to work on Christmas

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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8029920
12/24/23 02:40 PM
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Those guide rollers are mounted on a shaft that is treaded at the back and has 4 bolts with welded nuts to adjust the angle of caster and allows the blade to be tweaked to be parallel to the bed and track


Yup 330 Mechano is very similar to what you got there. I loved that stuff as a kid ..... I built the model of a go cart out of that when I was about 6 or 7 .. then my grand father built the scaled up model that I could drive around the shipyard with

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Re: Almost done [Re: Crowfoot] #8030261
12/24/23 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowfoot
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Yeppers I was younger then .... but where did you get my portrait from


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030309
12/24/23 11:41 PM
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Michael, I always was gonna build a bandsaw mill, but I found out a few years back that I’m already old and really don’t need another project or hobby!

My last go around was a 2X72 belt grinder, but couldn’t be like they are normally made! Had to run backwards to keep from pulling the work into it. I build fleshing knives, and set up the angle into it, so the platen was horizontal. Worked out great, but put guards on it, so I didn’t have to eat all the grindings headed my direction. I’m not color blind, but I am a pureblood kraut!


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030554
12/25/23 10:34 AM
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Lee, I was thinking about having the lumber milled some place. But as I am not sure what I need, decided to go this route as I can as always just make it up as I go along and if there I need a 2x10 or whatever and don't have it at hand, I can just fire up the mill and make one or five.
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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030568
12/25/23 10:56 AM
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Back when I was a kid, dad built a new machine shed on the farm. Was built entirely from green cottonwood. Reason he used green wood was you cannot drive a nail through a dried cottonwood board without it splitting. You may find the same with oak and hickory. Put the house up and let it dry in place after it’s built! When I built my 40X100 building when I moved up here, all the framed in parts, I screwed together, not a nail in this whole place, And I windlaced it, something the builders nowdays have forgotten mostly! Merry Christmas bud, anxious to see how your mill works out!


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030580
12/25/23 11:09 AM
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Yeah to get the hydraulics to work a silo unloader winch would work as it has enough gear reduction that it doesn’t move without input power, I see you don’t have a roller directly on the back of the blade like a shop style bandsaw is that so chip’s don’t get caught? Here’s a picture of what I’m talking about.


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030613
12/25/23 11:55 AM
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If You look closely, the roller I made has a shoulder on the back that the blade runs on. That shoulder is cut at 93 degrees and as the back of the blade is at right angle and the roller having a couple of degrees of tow in , together with the blade tension, it should prevent the blade form riding up on that shoulder. There is a bit of free cut on the front of the roller to allow for the offset of the teeth and a bit in the back before the shoulder to allow for the odd chip that wants to get in there. If this does not work out, I have some rollers made that I can make a bracket for to put behind the existing ones in the style of your picture. The 4 bolts ( you can only see three of them ) behind the roller are there to adjust the angles of the shaft the roller bearings sit on.
I know, its only a roller with a couple of sealed bearings in the thing, but I did put some thought into it before I chucked that lump of stainless steel up in the lathe to make it.
Its what I mentioned earlier on. Breaking things down into smaller and smaller bits to eat that elephant. I don't watch TV and spend a lot of time thinking about the what if's before I make metal chips and sparks making a part.

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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030616
12/25/23 12:00 PM
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Looking at that last picture I see that I had a more than usual lazy moment making that shaft...... I did not face the end and it still has the marks from the saw on it....... Should have run that through Photoshop before putting that on here blush


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030617
12/25/23 12:02 PM
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Michael your mechanical abilities are way above my pay grade. You are a gifted young man. Kudos to you and others in your category.

Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030621
12/25/23 12:13 PM
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I didn’t see the three screws for adjustment on the shaft, I have never seen it done with one bearing and was wondering if there was a specific reason for going that rout, and I do know that adjustment on three rollers is a pain.

Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030637
12/25/23 12:29 PM
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Bob there really is not much to this sort of thing if you take some time to break things down, you invariable arrive at simple problems that have simple solutions. If you look at the whole thing it looks daunting but it really isn't once you get down to the basics. ...... Take the lift for the saw head. You want it to go up and down and be level. If the winches to fast to be accurate. add more pulleys or slow down the motor. Keeping it level is easy done with turn buckles at the end of the wires. Spool the winch line as a double so you have two lines pulling at the same speed. There its easy. For the saw blade, think belt sander. How to you center the belt on that ?? Now apply the same thought process to the saw blade the fabricobble the bits to make that happen. and so on and so forth .... one little problem at a time and the end result is whatever you want it to be, a saw mill, or anything else you ant to build.
I am not a machinist or a welder or elecchicken or programmer for Arduino circuitry or carpenter or plum bear.
My first apprenticeship was in the UK as a diesel maniac for semi trucks. The back in Germany I did another one as ships maniac. then did my degree in enginerding...... None of that had a lick to do with tractoring or building saw mills. As a ships mechanic you learn little bit of everything. From machining to welding electrickery and hydraulics etc. but it is just basic stuff and that is many moons ago.
This is all about solving little problems of a puzzle. If you can't figure out the big problem, break it down until you reach a point where the problems get more but each individual one os not as difficult to solve anymore. You can apply that to most anything you want to do.


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Re: Almost done [Re: Bob_Iowa] #8030650
12/25/23 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
I didn’t see the three screws for adjustment on the shaft, I have never seen it done with one bearing and was wondering if there was a specific reason for going that rout, and I do know that adjustment on three rollers is a pain.



My line of thought was that the chip volume on a band saw mill is going to be way higher than on a little shop bandsaw. That , and I have to run water for coming the blade. having all but one side open using just one roller, chances are better of not jamming things up with wood chips as I think at that sort of blade speed things would get hot quick and in a hurry. With the angles that I use on that single roller I think it will do what it needs to and allow for the chips to exit the stage to the right unobstructed.


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030670
12/25/23 01:11 PM
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Good job! Merry Christmas!!


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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030914
12/25/23 06:21 PM
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That makes sense it’ll be interesting to see it cutting and how those rollers work, on our CNC machine Vortex (a bit manufacture) says the chips help cool the bit so you have to match the feed speed to the bit speed, in that case Vortex has a formula, I’m not sure if it would help on a band saw but it’s something to keep in mind.

Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030923
12/25/23 06:32 PM
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It looks to be like the QC fella got too much over time on the job Scuba.

Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030930
12/25/23 06:44 PM
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With the pulley combination that I have I can get the blade speed up to around 68 M/ph

Yeppers about the QC guy ... ya just cant get the staff these days

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Re: Almost done [Re: Scuba1] #8030933
12/25/23 06:46 PM
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Must be union. grin

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