Re: Timber Value
[Re: jbyrd63]
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That’s is true. Like buying any sight unseen. Just got off the phone with my buddy that has cut timber fir 50 years TODAY price red oak .65 cents board ft White oak 1.50-2.00 BF
He recommended finding a logger to harvest it and sell to local mill on halves. Then you know what each tree was worth . Loggers that walk in and give you a flat price can low ball you . His recommendation You can get lowballed any way you sale logs.....percentage or not. Its all a gamble to an extent.
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Re: Timber Value
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12/28/23 09:26 PM
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Round here loggers make an absolute mess out of properties. I hope they don't there! if you have a good contract and the professional knowledge (consulting forester) and teeth (performance bond) to enforce it, your risks are SIGNIFICANTLY lowered!!
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 02:01 AM
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Anyone know how the timber market is currently doing? I am considering doing a selective cut on my property. I have a mixture of red and white oak, tulip poplar, maple, hickory, beech, cherry, and a few walnuts and elm. I got one bid so far with more coming. The bid averaged out to $152.00 a tree based on how many trees he said he would cut. I was told that the woods was last timbered in the late 1950s.
Thanks for any tips or advice. I’m in the timber and land business. Like real estate, timber values are local and regional. Some areas grow certain species better than other areas. Here in PA timber markets are way down from two years ago, but a couple species are up slightly from where they were a few months ago, which is nice. Black walnut is almost always a high value species. Like any tree, quality and ease of extraction dictate what the buyers can afford to pay. Definitely solicit bids and make sure you have a written contract that spells out the terms and duties of the buyer.
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 02:46 AM
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Still waiting for White Fir to spike. And waiting lol.
A consult may be even more important for the tree planter. The right mix for the turf. Trees are cute when little.
GLWH
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Re: Timber Value
[Re: JJR]
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12/29/23 01:38 PM
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New here. Been watching the timber/logging posts for a long time. Finally decided to chime in. White Marlin, why the hostility towards logging on percentage? oh, I can see why loggers like the percentage deal...no real risk on their part. (and this isn't about bashing loggers). I am talking about from the landowners' perspective/interests. signing up for this type of contract requires absolute/complete trust in the people doing the work and those paying for the product, with very little to zero recourse. The landowner is trusting the logger to tell him how many mbf's he cut/sold, what the quality of the logs are, how much the logger was paid by the mill, etc. etc. some mills have better markets for some products than others...should the landowner be penalized with a lower check because that particular mill's market isn't the best? an imperfect analogy: how about you sign over the title to that used Tacoma you have. I know a guy who's looking to buy one. And when I sell it, I'll give you half of the money I get for it. After all, I'll have some money in this too (transporting the truck to new buyer, new title work, etc.). I think you'll be happy. well, no...once you sign the title over to me, you'll have no say in the sale price. how about it? just some of the reasons... and that's just on the timber SALE end. if you're talking about long term forest MANAGEMENT, that gets into a whole nother aspect ...
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 05:40 PM
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New here. Been watching the timber/logging posts for a long time. Finally decided to chime in. White Marlin, why the hostility towards logging on percentage? Pretty much every logger I know who is independent cuts on percentages. Bought my Skidder 19 years ago this coming July. Other than the 12-13 DCNR timber jobs my cousin and I bought every job I’ve ever done has been on percentage. Haven’t had a problem with a landowner yet. Haven’t had to look for work in 17 years. All word of mouth. Only cut part time on weekends and holidays when prices are good. Just curious if you had a bad experience? Scaled/graded logs for a company after I got out of forestry school. Some loggers would ask for blank log slips but was company policy to not give out blank slips. Some loggers would change the log slips to show more softwood vs. hardwood. Percentage was 33% on hemlock/white pine and 50% on hardwood logs. Not the best way to sell timber.
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Re: Timber Value
[Re: white marlin]
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12/29/23 06:38 PM
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New here. Been watching the timber/logging posts for a long time. Finally decided to chime in. White Marlin, why the hostility towards logging on percentage? oh, I can see why loggers like the percentage deal...no real risk on their part. (and this isn't about bashing loggers). I am talking about from the landowners' perspective/interests. signing up for this type of contract requires absolute/complete trust in the people doing the work and those paying for the product, with very little to zero recourse. The landowner is trusting the logger to tell him how many mbf's he cut/sold, what the quality of the logs are, how much the logger was paid by the mill, etc. etc. some mills have better markets for some products than others...should the landowner be penalized with a lower check because that particular mill's market isn't the best? an imperfect analogy: how about you sign over the title to that used Tacoma you have. I know a guy who's looking to buy one. And when I sell it, I'll give you half of the money I get for it. After all, I'll have some money in this too (transporting the truck to new buyer, new title work, etc.). I think you'll be happy. well, no...once you sign the title over to me, you'll have no say in the sale price. how about it? just some of the reasons... and that's just on the timber SALE end. if you're talking about long term forest MANAGEMENT, that gets into a whole nother aspect ... Your analogy is crazy !!! Sign it over. You do know the timber guys will sell it where they get the best price. 50% means more for them if they sell it for the highest price. There is a "bill of sale" for each log sold that any mill worth a hoot will provide . How do you think they know how much to pay both parties.You ever follow behind a load of logs? You see that bar code stapled to the end of each one. Well around here anyway.
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 06:53 PM
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my analogy isn't perfect, but it's not THAT far off...you've given the logger the right to cut and haul your trees, with no idea what you just sold them for. (he'll let you know later)
once the tree is cut and gone, you don't get a "do-over" or a "no-sale".
wouldn't it be better to KNOW what you're selling and for what price BEFORE the tree is severed from its roots and gone?
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 07:59 PM
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You can always have the buyers come out to the landing to quote a price,....... but you better have room to lay them out. it's still [essentially] too late to "no sale" them; after they're at the landing. if you've got buyers coming to the site anyway, how about they cruise the timber on the stump and submit their bids BEFORE they get a contract?
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Re: Timber Value
[Re: white marlin]
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12/29/23 08:38 PM
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You can always have the buyers come out to the landing to quote a price,....... but you better have room to lay them out. it's still [essentially] too late to "no sale" them; after they're at the landing. if you've got buyers coming to the site anyway, how about they cruise the timber on the stump and submit their bids BEFORE they get a contract? My point was that the owner could get bids before they leave his property where any shady stuff could happen.Im not sure Im smelling what your stepping in? I dont care how a guy sells it, just saying that is an option.
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Re: Timber Value
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12/29/23 08:42 PM
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I understood your point, and I'm not insinuating anything...other than once they're cut, you don't have a realistic option to NOT sell them to someone.
if bids are received for standing timber, the landowner knows the amount BEFORE the trees hit the duff and the logs are gone. they can make a better decision on whether or not to go through with the sale.
Last edited by white marlin; 12/29/23 08:52 PM.
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