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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8043629
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Anyone got any updates on this ?

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8043672
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I caught 2 coyotes the other day In my CRs One was still there the other one popped the BAD. It's back to that BAD that Isn't compatible to 1X19 X 3/32 cable. The next CRs I buy are going to have the J hook BADs

And yes the swivel needs to be as close to the lock as possible.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8043727
01/08/24 03:11 PM
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A good snare in Wis. would be a lock that does not relax. Why should you care about a fox or coyote?.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8043789
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WE don't care about coyotes and foxes It's the hunting dogs that we care about. You will NEVER see a lethal snare In WI. So live with It.

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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: The Beav] #8043803
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Originally Posted by The Beav
WE don't care about coyotes and foxes It's the hunting dogs that we care about. You will NEVER see a lethal snare In WI. So live with It.

OK tell me why Montana and Idaho have no problems.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8043883
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Look at the land mass and the population.
We have 1000s of coon hunters we have 1000s of hound hunters we also have 1000s of up land game bird hunters not to mention all the water fowl hunters. And they are all out there during our trapping season Oh wait what about all the non hunting type dogs that are also out there.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: The Beav] #8043907
01/08/24 07:14 PM
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Yep. It’s a shame. That in Alabama You can’t even use a fence snare when YOU own 5000 acre high fence for deer. Makes the outlaw feel OK hanging a snare under these conditions. To protect a deer worth 10000

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Guss] #8043977
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Originally Posted by Guss
Originally Posted by The Beav
WE don't care about coyotes and foxes It's the hunting dogs that we care about. You will NEVER see a lethal snare In WI. So live with It.

OK tell me why Montana and Idaho have no problems.

Free roaming dogs probably don't last too long in those states.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044114
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The hunters with dog better watch out out for wolves!!!

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044187
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Is there a correlation between states with CR requirements and public land?

For example, Texas is mostly private and you can use either
If I put a snare out to catch a coyote and your free ranging dog gets caught then the fault lies with you.
If I put out a snare to catch your free ranging dog the fault lies with me

I could see where trapping on public land could be an issue with other users having dogs with them

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044200
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Being a former houndman, as well as a trapper, to me it's just common sense where dogs may be encountered to use free hanging snares. And that is anywhere that dogs are legally used for hunting. As far as snares go, free hanging snares are generally fairly safe with dogs that are used to being chained or on a leash, but ram power snares are unforgiving. Even with a coil kill spring with the snare most chain/leash broke dogs will not fight hard enough to choke down in my experienced, over a day or two thus giving the handle a good chance to locate them alive.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044202
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You can use real snares in Iowa. We have coon hunters, hound hunters, and bird hunters. All our road ditches are public property and there's quite a bit of public land besides that. We are also governed by republicans, not democrats. Most anti-trapping regulations come from the latter side of the isle.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: bctomcat] #8044271
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Originally Posted by bctomcat
Being a former houndman, as well as a trapper, to me it's just common sense where dogs may be encountered to use free hanging snares. And that is anywhere that dogs are legally used for hunting. As far as snares go, free hanging snares are generally fairly safe with dogs that are used to being chained or on a leash, but ram power snares are unforgiving. Even with a coil kill spring with the snare most chain/leash broke dogs will not fight hard enough to choke down in my experienced, over a day or two thus giving the handle a good chance to locate them alive.


This right here. As a houndman I can attest to the fact that I have had multiple dogs caught in snares and all were fine. Especially with all the tracking collars worn on hounds today, plus they are usually chain broke, chances are they will be perfectly fine in a normal snare. In a power ram, not so much. And there are issues in Idaho and Montana between trappers using snares and houndmen. Frankly the wolves being introduced did wonders for the trapper/houndman relations. The houndhunters want the wolves gone so rather than fight with the trappers, they support them. To the extent of even supporting tools like snares.

Use a little common sense with where you set your snares, and what type. You're not going to avoid all the houndmen, particularly if you are trying to trap the same animals they are trying to hunt (bobcat, coon, etc.) but you can avoid almost all the college kids and granola eaters out taking Fido for a walk. And if you use free hanging snares without kill springs, instead of power rams in any place where there is any possibility of encountering hounds, bird dogs, etc. You will avoid a lot of issues.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Guss] #8044298
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Originally Posted by Guss
The hunters with dog better watch out out for wolves!!!


Guss, owners get compensated for injury or death of a dog involving a confirmed wolf attach in Wisconsin.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Scott__aR] #8044472
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Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Originally Posted by Guss
The hunters with dog better watch out out for wolves!!!


Guss, owners get compensated for injury or death of a dog involving a confirmed wolf attach in Wisconsin.

I know that the DNR SPENDING ALOT OF MONEY.

Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044487
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Like I said WI will never allow a lethel type snare In WI. so The CR is just another tool and If used right will catch all the coyotes you can skin.
Yes I would rather have a dead coyote In a snare and yes we are limited to where we can hang them. But you just have to learn to play the cards you were dealt.
It was 2 years ago when coyotes had some value and I caught 38 coyotes In CRs about 37 more then I wanted. LOL

This year I'm just doing some friends a favor and hanging a few CRs for coyote control.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044631
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I never use them to trap with I would think since the LOCK relaxes the animal can back out of the CR..

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I can't say I've never had one back out. But It's probably pretty rare.


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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Guss] #8044709
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Originally Posted by Guss
I never use them to trap with I would think since the LOCK relaxes the animal can back out of the CR..


They can back out if they feel the snare and stop before the snare "fires".


Once an animal pulls tight on a snare it's not getting back out. Occasionally a coon or beaver might be able to throw a snare off but I've never seen it. Usually if they've fought the snare at all a kink forms within a quarter inch of the lock

Worse thing that will happen for you with a CR is you get water headed coyotes.

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Re: CABLE RESTRAINTS [Re: Furvor] #8044823
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Thanks I might try some CR

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