Was it during the Clinton, Bush or Obama era? We know it is corrupt in the Trump and Biden Administration

Nothing Obummer did not corrupt in those 8 long years.

Well, they killed Kennedy so..

George H. W. Bush was ambassador to China and CIA director, you figure it out. Gerald R Ford was never elected to the presidency or vice presidency but he served on the Warren Commission while back channeling Commission work to J. Edgar Hoover at the FBI. Oh, Hillary was a lawyer serving the Commission.

https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-warren-commission

Biden has weaponized the DOJ and doesn’t even try to hide it.

It's been going on for as long as Kennedy was murdered.
It kept getting worse and the final straw was Obama !

1784

Started with the FDR socialist programs & going off the gold standard in 1933.

Also the NFA in 1934.

Eisenhower warned us about it.

Nixon was the last uncorrupted president and look what they did to him. I would say Reagan as I don't believe him to have been corrupt at heart but he made too many deals.

Probably before this but it was my first thought and early place I instantly thought of.

Martin Van Buren. His group(of which Tamanay Hall was part of) started the Spoils system.

I'd much rather have the spoils system than what we have now. At least that way new administration can clear everyone out and replace with their own every few years. These lifetime "civil servants" are killing us.

Which was Wilson's dream. Even FDR warned about unionizing federal workers.

Yup

The federal government is incompetent, overbearing, and arrogant.

It is not corrupt, though no doubt a small percentage of government employees may be.

Don't y'all ever get tired of conspiracy theories?

Jim

Yeah, those early 30's were pretty transformative. Much of the heavy lifting was done then.

Maybe as a percentage of the overall federal employees but Id hazard that the percentage of those at the decision making levels is well north of 50%.

Lol

Funny they've all been proven true so far!

Lois Gail Lerner comes to mind???

All of them? No kidding.

Wouldn't that mean you've never heard of a conspiracy theory you don't believe?

Jim

So whatever happened to her, anyway?

Help my memory. Was she the IRS Commissioner who was accused of using IRS audits to punish political enemies, and who pleaded the Fifth when called to testify before Congress?

Let's assume she was guilty. She didn't get away with it for long, did she? The government, which you say is corrupt, did catch and correct that act of corrupt employees before long. Our Constitution's system of checks and balances worked as intended.

I've dealt--and fought--with a good number of government employees. I've reversed and over-turned some of them, cussed them, and commiserated with clients over a few of their decisions. I've found them to be arrogant, overbearing, and pig-headed--or small people impressed with their own little sphere of power.

But I never ran into one I considered corrupt.

Jim

James if you think Lois Lerner was just a one off rogue actor not acting complicit with others if not under direction then your not just naive.

Sure, I'll concede we probably didn't get all the scoundrels involved. Maybe she wasn't even the top guy. But the scheme did get stopped. Our system of checks and balances doesn't guarantee the flight will always be smooth, without turbulence, but it usually results in a safe landing.

Like you, I'm not satisfied with the outcome of that scandal. There should have been a reckoning by the Obama administration. It's to his shame that there wasn't.

Was she even fired after taking the Fifth?

Jim

It all started with a story of a cherry tree that got choped down.
Then I heard that story was fabricated. So now I'm confused.

Income taxes. That's when it started.

December 23rd, 1913

If I remember correctly she was fired/resigned but was given another position in the bureaucracy.

April 9, 1865

I feel much better now.

Illegal adoption of the the 14th amendment, 1868.
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July 4th 1789 - Tariff Act (taxes) :-(

LBJ kicked it into over drive

Word.

I guess Ruby Ridge and WACO were just conspiracy theories!! Too bad KKKlintons Janet Reno was innocent!!!

Was Hitlary ever charged for buying a fake Dossier, handing over to RINO McCain and costing the tax payers BILLIONS in investigations and special Councils all because she cried because she lost!!! Never was and never will!! Just like the people that died associated with her!! Remember Whitewater and the deaths of the many involved. All just conspiracy theories!!

I didn't know anyone still said that!

Can you imagine all the change for good that would occur if this amendment would be declared null and void?

It started with NIXON and it's been going down thru the years.

I think I'd take Nixon again over most of those we've had since.

I think it really started with Hoover and then the cia got into it with the first Kennedy killin. I think Bush got them together, pooled their resources and they found out they had everyone blackmailed cept Ron paul and Donald Trump. They then found out they didnt need mind altering drugs and such to control 50 % of the population, They could just take over the democrat party and the weekminded media. The rest is history.

It was Nixon's fault that we lost the war in Vietnam, a war we should never had been involved in. We lost a lot of brave soldiers needlessly.
The real corruption started after Kennedy was assassinated. Obama put it into passing gear.

The day it was formed.

Calvin Coolidge is the Devil.

You got it.
Corruption started in the garden and it won't end until the last day.

You're right. I forgot about that.

It would be a great start. I would say the 14th has done untold damage to the country and will be our downfall.

It started from the beginning. Man is evil and always strives for power.

.....12 years he is in his 3rd term now

Well, 33 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were attorneys so there is that.

Don't know when it started but here ya go.

It has always been corrupt, but hit another level during the FDR years. New Deal, WW2 drastically increased the size and power of the federal government. It seems that all governments, no matter what the ideology begin to become corrupt over time. Once any government attains a certain size it's priority is to serve itself instead of the people.

Not quite Jim.

Lois was found to be in contempt of Congress and referred to the DOJ for prosecution.
This was in 2013 or 14. The DOJ , of course, refused to prosecute her and a two years later issued a report to congress that they could find no wrong doing or political bias. The DOJ also ignored that she, and the IRS destroyed thousands of emails and other documents that were under subpoena by the Congress...........they also destroyed the taped back-ups of those documents. No one faced any consequences for this. Lerner was allowed to retire peacefully and is currently drawing her pension.

She was instructed by her superior about how to answer a question that would be posed by the House Ways and Means Committee that had been "planted" by the American Bar Association with a Democrat member of that committee. Her supervisor later testified to this before that same committee.

By the way, Lerner was also past president of the Council on Governmental Ethics Laws .

An arbitrary question, with the expected arbitrary responses.

At least James seems to have a handle on it.

Wow talk about living with blinders on lol, the funny thing is they don't even try to hide the corruption anymore they just rub it in your face because they are above the law. Back to " normal " = America last and selling our country out to the highest bidder-----No thank, you it's time to wheel out the guillotines!

The day after it was formed .They couldn't do it the first day because they had to figure out who was going to get messed over first.

Andrew Jackson from what I have seen in documentaries.

Garry-

1789 was first meeting of the US government under authority of it’s constitution.
1784 was the Treaty of Paris before the Federal Government was formed.
1784 was also the year the Ottoman Empire annexed Crimea to Russia.