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Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050480 01/15/24 02:56 PM 01/15/24 02:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 East-Central Wisconsin	If you set your triggers light or with a short drop or pull which one does many times to increase the coon pulling the dog up ( I am thinking pull only DPs, you may be using push and pull) then the animal, (coon) my be also applying pressure etc. to the outside trigger mechanism and maybe firing the trap with no foot inside the trap. There are lots of parts to a DP trap for an animal to play with. I don't catch many with DPs, and I have not had pullouts (Duke DPs) but what I do see is avoidance by tracks etc. that pass them by. I have started to gang set DPs more because once I have action many times that trap goes dead for me. Bryce

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Spike369] #8050634 01/15/24 05:36 PM 01/15/24 05:36 PM
Joined: May 2018 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 SW Georgia	Originally Posted by Spike369 I lost one last night in a DP that makes 4 so far. I'm about done with DPs. Describe lost? What brand of DP’s? Push/pull or pull only? And how do you know you “lost” something? Folks talking about them passing them by, when I have that I’ll take my drill and auger and drill a hole and put my DP in the hole. Just make sure you have plenty of room for the trap to fire. Occasionally I’ll get one that’ll ignore it in the open, but bury it and he’ll reach in all day long.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050659 01/15/24 05:52 PM 01/15/24 05:52 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 NWT Ryan McLeod trapper
Ryan McLeod trapper Joined: Feb 2014 NWT	Never lost a single one yet. Mind you ive never set a DP and we dont have raccoons here so yeah.... If you take care of the land the land will take care of you

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Spike369] #8050797 01/15/24 07:59 PM 01/15/24 07:59 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa	I have use almost every brand and type of "DP" traps for over 15 years now. There are a couple styles I would not use again but all the common tube type DP's like Dukes, No BS, Z-traps, etc... all work the exact same way and if you are losing coons out of them, and someone or something is not pulling them out, then it is 100% operator error IMO. www.iowatrapperstalk.com ADC's Baits and Supplies, click here

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: ~ADC~] #8050803 01/15/24 08:01 PM 01/15/24 08:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 South Ga - Almost Florida Swamp Wolf trapper
Swamp Wolf trapper Joined: Apr 2009 South Ga - Almost Florida	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ I have use almost every brand and type of "DP" traps for over 15 years now. There are a couple styles I would not use again but all the common tube type DP's like Dukes, No BS, Z-traps, etc... all work the exact same way and if you are losing coons out of them, and someone or something is not pulling them out, then it is 100% operator error IMO. 100% agree ^^^^ Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything! Resource Protection Service

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050807 01/15/24 08:08 PM 01/15/24 08:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2022 Va S Spike369 trapper
Spike369 trapper S Joined: Jul 2022 Va	What would the operator error be?

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Spike369] #8050810 01/15/24 08:12 PM 01/15/24 08:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa	Originally Posted by Spike369 What would the operator error be? Tell us exactly how you set the traps. How did you stake them, what bait, how far was the stabilizer in the ground, was the trap straight up and down or angled? What brand and style of trap? Was there a catch circle? Any part of the coon still in the trap? Trap treatment? Waxed, painted etc... Was it for sure a coon and not some other critter? www.iowatrapperstalk.com ADC's Baits and Supplies, click here

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Wanna Be] #8050812 01/15/24 08:16 PM 01/15/24 08:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2022 Va S Spike369 trapper
Spike369 trapper S Joined: Jul 2022 Va	Originally Posted by Wanna Be Originally Posted by Spike369 I lost one last night in a DP that makes 4 so far. I'm about done with DPs. Describe lost? What brand of DP’s? Push/pull or pull only? And how do you know you “lost” something? Folks talking about them passing them by, when I have that I’ll take my drill and auger and drill a hole and put my DP in the hole. Just make sure you have plenty of room for the trap to fire. Occasionally I’ll get one that’ll ignore it in the open, but bury it and he’ll reach in all day long. Well, the DP are dukes was sprung and wrapped tight around the bottom of the 4 inch tree I had it attached too. There was also a half of a catch circle. The other half was a huge 3 foot oak. The DPs are pull only and I set them with the middle of the dog in the center of the catch lever.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: ~ADC~] #8050820 01/15/24 08:22 PM 01/15/24 08:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2022 Va S Spike369 trapper
Spike369 trapper S Joined: Jul 2022 Va	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ Originally Posted by Spike369 What would the operator error be? Tell us exactly how you set the traps. How did you stake them, what bait, how far was the stabilizer in the ground, was the trap straight up and down or angled? What brand and style of trap? Was there a catch circle? Any part of the coon still in the trap? Trap treatment? Waxed, painted etc... Was it for sure a coon and not some other critter? Tied to a tree. This morning it was tripped and wrapped around the tree I attached it to. There was half of a catch circle. Used corn as bait with a long call racoon lure. I assumed it was a racoon. Nothing in the trap and no corn on the ground. Painted traps no wax. Baited the trap straight up and down. Stabilizer was in the ground up to the chain stop.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050831 01/15/24 08:33 PM 01/15/24 08:33 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa	Sounds like based on that the coon wrapped the trap around the tree and the spring on the trap rested against the tree so when the coon pulls it compresses the spring slightly releasing the coon. This a pretty common. I suggest staking your traps away from anything they can wrap up around. www.iowatrapperstalk.com ADC's Baits and Supplies, click here

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050842 01/15/24 08:42 PM 01/15/24 08:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2022 Va S Spike369 trapper
Spike369 trapper S Joined: Jul 2022 Va	Ok, that's sounds like operator error. In all 4 cases they were wrapped around a tree. I never thought that might be happening. Hopefully that's all it is. Thanks.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Spike369] #8050853 01/15/24 08:55 PM 01/15/24 08:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa	Good luck to you and I hope that solves your troubles with the DPs. Originally Posted by Spike369 Ok, that's sounds like operator error. In all 4 cases they were wrapped around a tree. I never thought that might be happening. Hopefully that's all it is. Thanks. www.iowatrapperstalk.com ADC's Baits and Supplies, click here

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8050858 01/15/24 09:02 PM 01/15/24 09:02 PM
Joined: Jul 2022 Va S Spike369 trapper
Spike369 trapper S Joined: Jul 2022 Va	I hope so too. I appreciate all the help I get from everyone when I have a problem. Hope Ya’ll don't mind. I've learned an awful lot here.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: ~ADC~] #8051749 01/16/24 07:07 PM 01/16/24 07:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2023 MO B BC-Buck OP trapper
BC-Buck OP trapper B Joined: Dec 2023 MO	Originally Posted by ~ADC~ Originally Posted by Keystonekiller ..don't know how but I've had 2 dps with the coon foot in the trap no coon heck of a pull out there an no didn't look like something ate the coon in the trap just somehow pulled out leaving thy arm... Dogs will pull them out, but more than likely the trap lost its ability to swivel and the coon twisted until it either pulled out or probably got it loose from the entanglement then after the damage was done it was able to run to the end and pull it off. This will happen if you leave your rebar stakes out of the ground so the springs get caught on it, or if you push your trap into hard ground too far, or if it partially freezes the stabilizer in the ground. I figured this out when I had a skunk foot in a DP and it was never pulled from the grund. A farmer near here couldn't get the stabilizer in the floor of his hay loft so he wired it straight to one of the beams up there, asked me why they were "chewing" out. I never push my DP's in further than 1/2 way up the stabilizers. Iv learned from input from every post. First and most important is traps must not loose ability to swivel. As i original posted two wrapped spring into stake washer and will not happen again. Had one I think hit trigger from outside of trap without being committed. The last one in front of trail cam I cannot explain. Left paw behind, open field staked well. I am a little leery using cables now and getting wrapped up possibly loosing ability to swivel.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: Spike369] #8054712 01/19/24 09:00 PM 01/19/24 09:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia 5 52Carl trapper
52Carl trapper 5 Joined: Jan 2014 Virginia	[quote=Spike369]I hope so too. I appreciate all the help I get from everyone when I have a problem. Hope Ya’ll don't mind. I've learned an awful lot here. [/quot It's frustrating when things don't work out as planned and its easy to become defensive and contrary. You didn't do that. You are a good listener. I can appreciate that in a man.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8054726 01/19/24 09:11 PM 01/19/24 09:11 PM
Joined: May 2018 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 SW Georgia	If it makes you feel better I put a DP up against a huge stout log once. Drove by and nothing, after morning #4 with nothing in it I knew something was wrong. I was in a dang trail with coon tracks outnumbering deer. Sure enough that trap was empty of bait and sprung!! It was shoved in clay and so tight against the log I didn’t account for the spring. It tripped, but couldn’t go but maybe 1/4” and that’s a big maybe, lol. Moved it about 6-8” away and a coon the next day and the following 3 days, lol. Operator error does occur.

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8054747 01/19/24 09:32 PM 01/19/24 09:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2018 SD 6 653 trapper
653 trapper 6 Joined: Oct 2018 SD	I’ve lost three that chewed out , paw still in trap. We have big coons so thinking they broke leg fighting trap then chewed out. Happens

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: 653] #8054804 01/19/24 10:22 PM 01/19/24 10:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa ~ADC~ The Count
~ADC~ The Count Joined: Jun 2010 Iowa	Originally Posted by 653 I’ve lost three that chewed out , paw still in trap. We have big coons so thinking they broke leg fighting trap then chewed out. Happens I would bet a lot that you had the stabilizer pushed too hard in the ground, or something else stopped that trap from swiveling, the coons twisted without it coming free of the ground or trap stake top or whatever stopped it swiveling, then the coon pulled loose. They don't chew at the parts of their foot they can feel. We have big coons here too. That will never happen if the traps are set so the stabilizer pulls free from the ground easily, and the trap is free to swivel without getting hung up on something. www.iowatrapperstalk.com ADC's Baits and Supplies, click here

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8054940 01/20/24 01:04 AM 01/20/24 01:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 East-Central Wisconsin	I use Duke DPs that are pull only. I pound an 8 inch long piece of 3/4 inch or 1 inch PVC pipe in the ground and stick the DP in that so that it is never froze in, or solid etc. The white PVC is also an attractant as well. The DP learning curve for me is still steeper than I would like it to be. I have never used a push down DP, but I could see the push down and firing would maybe grap foot above the paw or the foot joing and make twisting off issues more common. Bryce

Re: What % of coon do you loose in DP traps? [Re: BC-Buck] #8056021 01/21/24 05:44 AM 01/21/24 05:44 AM
Joined: Feb 2009 Montana USMC47 🦫 trapper
USMC47 🦫 trapper Joined: Feb 2009 Montana	I’ve had Season’s of 600-800 coons and I’ve seen very few pull out. I’ve seen where I thought a coon chewed out but after closer inspection it was a coyote or several coyotes that took a coon out for me and left whatever was left. Even then, 1 in 300. I can’t say I’ve ever seen chewing above the trap. My thought is this…a coon will chew ON a trap because it’s got a hold of him. Eventually, the foot goes numb and they continue to chew. They don’t get anything off of the trap but when they start getting meat on that foot, they keep going. The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. www.derricks-nm.com

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