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Is there a lesson to be learned here? #8055048
01/20/24 08:15 AM
01/20/24 08:15 AM
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Wisconsin
8117 Steve R Offline OP
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Steve
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Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055087
01/20/24 08:53 AM
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Cant get link.

To answer your question...when he doesn’t retreat. Wolves are thick in northern Wisconsin and prey is scarce. Under current protection they are not conditioned to fear humans.

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055092
01/20/24 08:58 AM
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Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055105
01/20/24 09:21 AM
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danny clifton Offline
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Hard to imagine its not legal to shoot wolves in order to protect livestock or pets . This wolf worship is starting to get old.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055182
01/20/24 10:47 AM
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If you have livestock in your field and it gets in you tell me I can't protect my investment?.

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Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055187
01/20/24 10:51 AM
01/20/24 10:51 AM
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When I was a kid I would get so upset that a wolf was always villain-ized.
Now I see why they are.
But I think monkeys are so much worse. We watched a documentary of a monkey(colombus???) eating a Pygmy antelope of some kind. Was eating it alive. Took twenty minutes for it to die. We had to turn the program off.

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: elsmasho82] #8055190
01/20/24 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
When I was a kid I would get so upset that a wolf was always villain-ized.
Now I see why they are.
But I think monkeys are so much worse. We watched a documentary of a monkey(colombus???) eating a Pygmy antelope of some kind. Was eating it alive. Took twenty minutes for it to die. We had to turn the program off.


That is a program that some people need to watch to show nature itself can be more inhumane.

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055191
01/20/24 11:02 AM
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Right!!!^^

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055195
01/20/24 11:04 AM
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I personally don't see wolves as villain's. They do prey on livestock. They do prey on the animals we humans like to hunt. There are plenty of them up north where humans are scarce. Plenty of them down here also. Makes no sense to worship them as so many do. Just the same lies. Bobcats, Mt Lions even coyotes are being presented as endangered. If you start talking about the absurdity of it all outside a trapping convention your immediately labeled an evil mentally deficient troublemaker.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055202
01/20/24 11:10 AM
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Its not just monkeys. Empathy is not an emotion found in the animal world. Monkeys gotta eat. Animals feel no more remorse for eating another animal alive than you do for ripping a carrot out of the ground and eating it. A carrot that is still alive. Plant the top back and it will grow. Predation is a part of the natural world and we humans are natural predators.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055206
01/20/24 11:17 AM
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All the various wolf reintroduction programs are completely lacking in valid reasons for their existence and implementation. Can anyone provide a good reason for this?

Our forefathers had the commonsense to systematically eliminate predators that directly competed with them in killing game. Back then it could mean the difference between eating and starving.

Today humans are much more effective at managing game populations than any predator will ever be. So that argument is invalid.

I strongly suspect these predator reintroduction programs were pushed by anti-hunter liberal agendas. What's incredible to me is that they get some biologists to support this stuff.

It's not just wolves either. Raptors nationwide need to be removed from federal protection.

Here in PA they reintroduced fisher. Why? Yeah, it's a cool trapping opportunity (the one we are allowed to catch each season) but what biological reasoning supports that decision? Fisher have put a hurting on an already struggling turkey population. Personally, I'd much rather hunt turkeys than trap one fisher a year.


Eh...wot?

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: danny clifton] #8055214
01/20/24 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Its not just monkeys. Empathy is not an emotion found in the animal world. Monkeys gotta eat. Animals feel no more remorse for eating another animal alive than you do for ripping a carrot out of the ground and eating it. A carrot that is still alive. Plant the top back and it will grow. Predation is a part of the natural world and we humans are natural predators.


You are right. I just have a blatant dislike for monkeys

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055221
01/20/24 11:47 AM
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I would set the distance at 10 yards

wolves need to fear humans enough to not come within 10 yards that is too close but sets a line in the sand

if you fire and your load of shot is still the size of your fist I would say you are absolutely justified that puts it very close.


if you use buck shot and all 9 pellets are in the wolf I would call that justified

the cheapest buck shot I have found from a imp cylinder puts that right about 10 yards that you would have them all in




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America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055311
01/20/24 02:07 PM
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When you deal with a wolf you need a rifle and a shovel.

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: Lugnut] #8055320
01/20/24 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
All the various wolf reintroduction programs are completely lacking in valid reasons for their existence and implementation. Can anyone provide a good reason for this?

Our forefathers had the commonsense to systematically eliminate predators that directly competed with them in killing game. Back then it could mean the difference between eating and starving.

Today humans are much more effective at managing game populations than any predator will ever be. So that argument is invalid.

I strongly suspect these predator reintroduction programs were pushed by anti-hunter liberal agendas. What's incredible to me is that they get some biologists to support this stuff.

It's not just wolves either. Raptors nationwide need to be removed from federal protection.

Here in PA they reintroduced fisher. Why? Yeah, it's a cool trapping opportunity (the one we are allowed to catch each season) but what biological reasoning supports that decision? Fisher have put a hurting on an already struggling turkey population. Personally, I'd much rather hunt turkeys than trap one fisher a year.


Not me! Send me your Fishers and you can gladly have numerous flocks of turkey that have habituated to my property. Cant stand them over grown sparrows. Lol

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055330
01/20/24 02:26 PM
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If it was up to me I'd make that trade in a heartbeat midlander!


Eh...wot?

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055338
01/20/24 02:32 PM
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The lesson is sss.


United we stand,divided we fall.
Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055382
01/20/24 03:44 PM
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Don't forget a bag of lime.

Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: coyote 1] #8055553
01/20/24 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by coyote 1
The lesson is sss.

this one had a tracking collar or they might well have done just that


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Re: Is there a lesson to be learned here? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8055590
01/20/24 06:46 PM
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That does complicate the issue. It's just insane to have to go through a 3 ring circus over shooting a wild animal that obviously crossed the line.

They don't even investigate most thefts or break ins any more but sure have resources to investigate a wolf shooting.


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