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Question for Christians. #8056368
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This is a serious question. Please answer seriously and use scripture to back up your answer.
Are you required to forgive a person who doesn't ask for forgiveness and/or refuses to acknowledge their sin against you?

I know Jesus said to forgive your brother 70×7, but the context is if your brother asks for your forgiveness. What if he doesn't even admit he did wrong, even when you explain it to him?


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Matthew 6 14-15. The problem would be your brothers.

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From my understanding the Bible does not put a context on when we should forgive or shouldn't. Simply states we should forgive. Therfore the idea would be that we do in all circumstances.

Forgiveness is not for the benefit of the offender but rather for the offended. Though if the offender repents and asks for it, it can be a blessing unto both.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
From my understanding the Bible does not put a context on when we should forgive or shouldn't. Simply states we should forgive. Therfore the idea would be that we do in all circumstances.

Forgiveness is not for the benefit of the offender for rather for the offended. Though if the offender repents and asks for it, it can be a blessing unto both.

This!!!


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Unforgiveness will keep you in bondage thus becoming an obstacle in your relationship with God

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Re: Question for Christians. [Re: PAskinner] #8056398
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I'm bad about holding on to past issues. I never forget. The offing party normally doesn't care and it doesn't affect them a bit. But I harbor the resentment and Ill feelings and that only negatively effects me not them.

I try to remember but not hold on to the hate, hurt feelings , ect.. it hard to separate. Why? I try to remember so I know what to expect from those individuals . Forgive does not mean forget. For example if someone steals from me I can get over being mad at them but will not have them come house sit or give them my credit card.

If they are irresponsible I'm not going to allow them a job ot task that requires responsibility. I may be splitting hairs but to me it's letting go of the negative thoughts and feelings, yet being cautious and thoughtful about placing responsibility on that person I know they have a history of problems with. It's easier said than done.

After enough time I may put them in that position expecting them to fail with hopes they don't and gradually earn my trust back.

Holding a grudge only negatively effects me.

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I know I didn't earn or deserve my forgiveness

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Originally Posted by Randy Shuff
Matthew 6 14-15. The problem would be your brothers.

Ok, the Lord's prayer does seem to indicate that forgiveness should always be given, but it gives no context for how that happens. I guess my biggest problem with the whole thing is that even God only forgives those who ask. Luke flat out says to confront the person and to forgive him IF he asks. And there's multiple places in scripture where we are told to correct other believers. In matt. 18, we are told if they refuse to repent to treat them as nonbelievers!
My inclination is to be a peacemaker at all costs, but I guess everyone has their limit. At what point do I give them to God and regrettably let them reap what they have sewn?


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I needed to read this today.


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Re: Question for Christians. [Re: PAskinner] #8056420
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Originally Posted by Randy Shuff
Matthew 6 14-15. The problem would be your brothers.

Ok, the Lord's prayer does seem to indicate that forgiveness should always be given, but it gives no context for how that happens. I guess my biggest problem with the whole thing is that even God only forgives those who ask. Luke flat out says to confront the person and to forgive him IF he asks. And there's multiple places in scripture where we are told to correct other believers. In matt. 18, we are told if they refuse to repent to treat them as nonbelievers!
My inclination is to be a peacemaker at all costs, but I guess everyone has their limit. At what point do I give them to God and regrettably let them reap what they have sewn?

I don't know the context of the exact situation you are in so its hard to answer some of the questions you ask. I feel quite confident that if you took your questions to a higher power, got into the Word and listened for The Helper you would get the answers you seek

But iron sharpens iron and your questions have caused us to think and seek for the truth. Thank you

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I believe that Yes sir has it right.

trying to be a better Christian never *IS* easy.

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You have to forgive your brother because if you don't God will deliver you to the tormentor.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
I'm bad about holding on to past issues. I never forget. The offing party normally doesn't care and it doesn't affect them a bit. But I harbor the resentment and Ill feelings and that only negatively effects me not them.

I try to remember but not hold on to the hate, hurt feelings , ect.. it hard to separate. Why? I try to remember so I know what to expect from those individuals . Forgive does not mean forget. For example if someone steals from me I can get over being mad at them but will not have them come house sit or give them my credit card.

If they are irresponsible I'm not going to allow them a job ot task that requires responsibility. I may be splitting hairs but to me it's letting go of the negative thoughts and feelings, yet being cautious and thoughtful about placing responsibility on that person I know they have a history of problems with. It's easier said than done.

After enough time I may put them in that position expecting them to fail with hopes they don't and gradually earn my trust back.

Holding a grudge only negatively effects me.

I also struggle with this. You arent alone!

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Pretty simple .You are supposed to treat people the way you want to be treated. So switch places what would you want?

Re: Question for Christians. [Re: PAskinner] #8056465
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My two cents.

I believe that we must always have an attitude of forgiveness, and unconditionally forgive when forgiveness is asked.

However, I'm skeptical of the notion that we should forgive everyone even if they dont want to be forgiven. God doesn't even do that. To do that seems to cheapen the whole idea of forgiveness.

That being said; if someone doesn't ask for forgivness, that doesn't give us the right to develop bitterness towards the person.


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Matthew 5:23 starts out saying that if your BROTHER has something against YOU, leave your gift at the altar and go make peace. In my mind that could mean you’ve done nothing wrong but someone has an issue with you and you ignore it, God will not accept your sacrifice.
To me, this seems to suggest that God wants us to be peacemakers no matter what

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The first question in my mind in this situation is, Does the person I am dealing with believe in the Holy Bible. Then move forward accordingly!


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I appreciate the counsel because honestly, it's so hard to find wise counsel. Seems like we all see things through the lense of our own experiences, and then you have all the internet shrinks who want to say some people are just toxic, which I think is non biblical. Hardly anyone just wants to go to the Word alone, because we might have to do something we don't want to.
On the question of how I would want to be treated, sometimes I don't want to hear the truth, so what I want and what I need might be two different things. And just because a person is a believer doesn't mean they will listen when you tell them that they have done wrong.
I do believe God wants me to be a peacemaker so until he tells me different I'm going with that, but I refuse to compromise the truth and sometimes being honest doesn't bring peace, no matter how nice we try to say the truth.

And yes, Yes Sir, I take my questions to Him constantly... sometimes I get answers, sometimes I just get confused. And sometimes I get nothing. I assume nothing means "Wait."
Thanks again.


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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I know I didn't earn or deserve my forgiveness


Best post in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I know I didn't earn or deserve my forgiveness

Correct, but you did confess, and acknowledge your need for forgivness.


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