Any citizen scientists?
#8061028
01/26/24 07:45 PM
01/26/24 07:45 PM
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Joined: Mar 2009
Deer lodge, MT
Dean Chapel
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OP
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Deer lodge, MT
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A 500 year flood occurred on the Clarkfork river in MT 100 years ago, resulting in alot of mine tailings washing down the valley floor. The native trout, eastern brook trout and rainbow trout can't live in the water anymore, and trash fish and brown trout is all that remain. Montana has begun a remediation process to remove contaminated topsoil, which additionally resulted in a documented 99% kill of remaining fish. Now, to my subject at hand- I've noticed that perhaps 10% of the muskrats I catch on the river have liver cancer. Neither MT fish and game nor the dept of environmental quality are interested in my findings on the topic. Subsequently, I've decided to do a study of my own, and know how to do it. However, what I do not have is a funding source for running toxicology/heavy metals testing on the livers as well as funds to have a pathologist examine livers for me. This would be for 100-200 livers. Anyone know of a resource that might help either do the testing for free or a grant source to pay for the testing? My time is free, but cannot fork over 10 grand to pay for this. Any ideas? Makes me wish I could talk to old Cohunt
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: waggler]
#8062907
01/28/24 07:45 PM
01/28/24 07:45 PM
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Joined: Mar 2009
Deer lodge, MT
Dean Chapel
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OP
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Deer lodge, MT
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I'll bet you coukd find a student in Missoula, who would be intetested in a project like that. Yeah, I would have thought so as well. I called the Department chair of the wildlife biology department in charge of graduate students, and in so many words, I was told that they would not be interested in asking if any students had any interest in such a project. I know of no other way to get hold of a grad student except through the dept chair.
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: NaturesTonic]
#8062918
01/28/24 07:51 PM
01/28/24 07:51 PM
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Joined: Mar 2009
Deer lodge, MT
Dean Chapel
OP
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OP
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Joined: Mar 2009
Deer lodge, MT
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How do you know they have liver cancer?
Can you share pics?
Have you talked with a local lab or what lab would you send samples to, and what is the cost of 1 test? the only pathology group I know locally is for human samples. I have not yet talked to them for prices, and if they'd consider doing this. MT fish and game had a pathology contract, but as I said, MT FWP not interested at all so far. I speak to the governor occasionally. Perhaps I'll see if he can move some people on this matter. He is a trapper too.
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: Dean Chapel]
#8062961
01/28/24 08:33 PM
01/28/24 08:33 PM
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Joined: Dec 2011
MT
snowy
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MT
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I hope you can find a path somehow to get something rolling going with that. It is very important that people get some answers from what you are observing. The right people or group would take it to the limits. I wish I could be more help but there has to be some group that would be able to get the ball rolling.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: Dean Chapel]
#8063202
01/29/24 03:08 AM
01/29/24 03:08 AM
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Joined: Mar 2023
ak ⚡️
Alder
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My suggestion would be calling the State Veterinarian for MT FWP. They could run a sample or two, and likely find it in their budget.
Jennifer Ramsey might be the right contact out of the BZN office.
That being said, they are so plum full of CWD and M.ovi sampling - plus whatever else she's interested in, she may say no. But, it's worth a shot.
Last edited by Alder; 01/29/24 03:09 AM.
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: Dean Chapel]
#8063215
01/29/24 05:44 AM
01/29/24 05:44 AM
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Joined: Jul 2012
N. Carolina
Scout1
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trapper
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N. Carolina
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Contact Trout Unlimited and remind them they have a stake in this as well. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!
------------------------------------- DJT in 2024!
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Re: Any citizen scientists?
[Re: Dean Chapel]
#8063426
01/29/24 12:39 PM
01/29/24 12:39 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
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"HOSS"
Joined: Dec 2009
The Hill Country of Texas
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Dean I think being right was worth a lot more back in the day. Nowadays you can probably leave this earth a martyr and nobody would even notice. Sad but true.
�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.� Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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