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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Elkguy] #8069930
02/05/24 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Elkguy
That’s crazy!


That’s what I was thinking!

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069932
02/05/24 08:21 PM
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Looks hot enough to forge with.


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069936
02/05/24 08:26 PM
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Thanks for posting this. I never knew such things existed but it makes sense.


ergo, bibamus.
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069945
02/05/24 08:36 PM
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Thanks for posting this, I grew up in that country and have never seen anything like that. I’ll have to do some looking next time I’m back.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069946
02/05/24 08:37 PM
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I remember the mine fires around Scranton when I was a kid. I would travel to Scranton with my grandparents and see the steam coming out of the ground. On one trip, the Big Chief grocery store was gone! The coal burned beneath the store and the building collapsed in the void.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069948
02/05/24 08:38 PM
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The one is WV up near Clarksburg has been burning for over 55 years. I do not think it will ever burn out. Now you know why they have such strict laws and MSHA now.


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069963
02/05/24 08:54 PM
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The Dakotas, Wy and MT all have burning underground coal seams. Here is a great article on them. I just read about it and in the article, it said ND had about 50 of them put out about 10 years ago.
https://montanafreepress.org/2022/08/05/tracking-eastern-montanas-silent-firestarters/


Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Giant Sage] #8069985
02/05/24 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
I'm guessing you may have red scoria rock ?
Eastern Wyoming has lots if scoria varying from red to black in color. I trapped some country between Gillette and Wright that has miles of colored scoia much with a deep purple cast . The cats from that region were some of the highest dollar cats I've sold. The Scotiano is a product of burning coal beds.

Yes we have lots of scoria and lots of red shale.


I can't believe that cop put me in the back seat when I clearly called shotgun.
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069993
02/05/24 09:26 PM
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The bad part about having the burning coal seams is that eventually they get to a tree root or the wind hits them just right and you have a wildfire. If it gets over 90 degrees and the wind blows your better have your head on a swivel looking for smoke.
Since that country burned in 17 we have had seven fires from burning coal seams reaching the surface.
It is rough country so bombers and smoke jumpers and the order of the day.


I can't believe that cop put me in the back seat when I clearly called shotgun.
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070018
02/05/24 10:09 PM
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Seen one near Casper, Wyoming a few years ago. Seam opened up and sparked a wildlife. While working the fire I came across where it was burning out of the ground and how all the ground was sinking in about an acre around it. Was pretty cool seeing it and could smell the coal from a long ways off.


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070072
02/05/24 11:32 PM
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One thing about it you don't have to go far to reheat a meal for yourself when out checking you're line .

When I worked at Cabalo coal mine near Gillette the high wall ( coal ) had a smoldering fire or two all the time , we kept a close eye on them and the bubbling water puddles were Methane gas more fun stuff .


Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070088
02/06/24 12:00 AM
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I grew up in coal country and this brings back the fear of living close to the mines. Had an uncle at Jim Walter #3 when it caught fire in the eighties. Knew some of the guys at Jim Walter # 5 when it exploded.

https://usminedisasters.miningquiz.com/saxsewell/jimwalter.htm


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070093
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Coal mines have to be careful with their stockpiles outside the mine. If you have a large pile of coal, particularly if it’s dirty ( high ash), wet, that has been sitting there awhile and is higher in sulfur content….it will get hot. Hot, like catching on fire. The coal will oxidize, ( a form of spontaneous combustion ) and you’ll see it steaming. Dig into a pile of it with a loader, exposing it to air…it will sometimes it will burst into flames. I’ve seen loader operators scrambling to get their machine out of the coal pile…one big hot smoky mess.

It helps to keep coal piles compacted as much as possible. Sometimes spray the pile with latex ( that helps in keeping blowing dust suppressed too )

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Bigbrownie] #8070141
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Coal mines have to be careful with their stockpiles outside the mine. If you have a large pile of coal, particularly if it’s dirty ( high ash), wet, that has been sitting there awhile and is higher in sulfur content….it will get hot. Hot, like catching on fire. The coal will oxidize, ( a form of spontaneous combustion ) and you’ll see it steaming. Dig into a pile of it with a loader, exposing it to air…it will sometimes it will burst into flames. I’ve seen loader operators scrambling to get their machine out of the coal pile…one big hot smoky mess.

It helps to keep coal piles compacted as much as possible. Sometimes spray the pile with latex ( that helps in keeping blowing dust suppressed too )


The power plants around here always have loaders working the coal piles. I have been told it was to keep them from catching on fire.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Lugnut] #8070158
02/06/24 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
There has been an underground coal fire burning in the town of Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962. In 1984 the government paid 42 million to relocate most of the folks who lived there. As of 2013 there were still seven residents living there.

The fire spread to under the nearby town of Byrnesville and it was abandoned and leveled.


I saw a TV show on that...
unreal....Sad but true


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070161
02/06/24 05:50 AM
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thanks for sharing , cool read,

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Lugnut] #8070164
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
There has been an underground coal fire burning in the town of Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962. In 1984 the government paid 42 million to relocate most of the folks who lived there. As of 2013 there were still seven residents living there.

The fire spread to under the nearby town of Byrnesville and it was abandoned and leveled.



I went there once, it's weird seeing smoke come out of the ground.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070186
02/06/24 06:39 AM
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I was there too hippie. Back in the 70's we used to drive through on our way to camp. All the houses were still there back then. There were a bunch of vent pipes everywhere blowing smoke.

Eventually they shut down that stretch of RT 61 and it became the Graffiti Highway.


Eh...wot?

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070202
02/06/24 07:02 AM
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Now we know what's causing global warming.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8070211
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MT you didn’t happen to see any old sign of Jimmy Hoffa near that blast furnace?

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