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Burning coal seam #8069816
02/05/24 07:40 PM
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I thought I would post this because I think some members will find it interesting.
First a little background. I live in Eastern Montana. We have a lot of coal in this area. Some of the coal seams actually are exposed and can be ignited by wildfires or lightning.
In 2017 we had a big wildfire that ignited several exposed seams. Once they are burning is next to impossible to put them out. Most of them burn under the ground and vent steam and gasses along with smoke through cracks in the ground.
The one in the pictures to follow in unique. It is burning horizontally into a big hill and as the hill caves off you can actually see the burning coal.
They have mapped over 3000 burning seams in Powder River County and are just getting a good start mapping them In Rosebud county. The do the mapping in the winter with drones that have thermal capabilities and also measures the surface temperature at the seam.
This is the only one they have mapped that maxed the drone out at 950 degrees.
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This is a view from below. The actual ignition point in 2017 is in the very bottom of the draw on the left of the picture.
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This is a view from above and behind the burning seam. The ground is cracking as the coal burns under it and eventually it will cave in do to lack of support.
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This photo shows the amount of movement since 2017 and the burnt dirt and debris left behind and it burns to the west.
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This photo shows the actual burning coal.
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The last two photos and close ups taken from about thirty yards and let me tell you that is plenty close. The heat on your face in very intense. Of course being a guy I had to pick up a dead juniper stick and throw it in. I short armed it and it landed about three feet in front of the lip into the hole Within 15 seconds it was on fire.
Hope you all enjoy!

Last edited by MT bowhunter; 02/05/24 07:45 PM.

I can't believe that cop put me in the back seat when I clearly called shotgun.
Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069818
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That’s crazy!


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069820
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REALLY interesting!!! Thanks!!!

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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069821
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Interesting, so they just eventually burn out once all the coal is consumed? Admittedly that may be a very long time.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069826
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Never seen anything like that! Thanks for posting.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069832
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Thanks that really cool. I had actually wondered if the ever happened. We have had peat bigs burn for extended periods.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069842
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Geo thermal extreme. Thanks for sharing, love these types of posts.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069846
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There has been an underground coal fire burning in the town of Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962. In 1984 the government paid 42 million to relocate most of the folks who lived there. As of 2013 there were still seven residents living there.

The fire spread to under the nearby town of Byrnesville and it was abandoned and leveled.



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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069852
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Guessing this produces no CO2!
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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069853
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That’s amazing I’ve seen the stories like Lugnut is talking about the fear is co2 poisoning I think I’d move away.


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069859
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That's interesting. I've drove through that country on various vacations.
Sioux Indians (and others) were all through that country all the time before whitey came along. Looks to me like that would have been a nice place to cuddle up close to one of those burning coal seams come a hard northern plains winter. Would have been plenty of buffalo in that country for meat.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: Lugnut] #8069862
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
There has been an underground coal fire burning in the town of Centralia, Pennsylvania since 1962. In 1984 the government paid 42 million to relocate most of the folks who lived there. As of 2013 there were still seven residents living there.

The fire spread to under the nearby town of Byrnesville and it was abandoned and leveled.


Never knew about that until I caught a PBS documentary about it a few years back, worth the watch.

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There is a mine in Ohio that has been burning since 1884. The miners got unhappy with the management during a strike and started a fire in one of the cars and rolled it down the track into the shaft.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069866
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Some years back now they dug some of them up and distinguished them somehow. They will leave huge undermine cavities that fall in and create huge sink holes.


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069875
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That's a peak into (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069881
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Back in the early 80s, the mine I worked at caught fire. Loose connection on the DC ground cable. The fire really took off ….spread quickly. The heat of the fire weakened the mine roof, and it started to fall. Now you had a fire burning under hundreds of tons of rock, with unsupported top above it. It took us two weeks to get it out. We had 9 mine rescue teams respond , some came from as far away as Kentucky. ( this was in western Pa. ) The working section was filled with hip deep water from all the fire hoses…..it was warm like bath water. Eventually, we loaded out all the falls into 20 ton mine cars, and hauled them out of the mine, two cars at a time. I pulled the cars across the mine….I had to stop several times at a fire valve, hook up a 2” fire hose, and hose the car down because they were catching fire again.

When you got up close to the fire, it was an unreal sight. All the coal pillars were glowing orange, and when you hit it with water, the water stream just vaporized. We worked the upwind side of the fire, didn’t need any apparatus. It was something I’ll never forget.

Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069887
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That is incredible.

I know a spread in Central Montana I think has one been burning a long time. Older ones in your area?

Osky


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Re: Burning coal seam [Re: MT bowhunter] #8069913
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That's crazy amount of seems burning, I've heard of some but had no idea there's so many.


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I'm guessing you may have red scoria rock ?
Eastern Wyoming has lots if scoria varying from red to black in color. I trapped some country between Gillette and Wright that has miles of colored scoia much with a deep purple cast . The cats from that region were some of the highest dollar cats I've sold. The Scotiano is a product of burning coal beds.

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There is another on about a mile south of this one that has been burning since my family homesteaded here in 1884. It is just a big crack in the ground about thirty feet long that vents the gasses. The ground is warm enough around it to melt the snow for forty feet on each side. Good place to catch bobcats!


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