No way a single will persevere against a pack, won't happen.

If you want to "allow them to hunt" by all means go to it.


Letting your dog "hunt" is a risk in wolf country, if your willing to let your dog take the risks then OK, let them hunt.
If you have a bird dog I'd suggest keeping it close, if you run hounds not much your gong to do when they are out of your immediate control.
Its up to you.
Wolves are not going away, at some point there will be management of wolf populations. It remains to be seen if its a natural or man made control tho.

A single dog can fend off a pack and survive. Wolves don't want to risk getting seriously hurt. More than minor injuries will usually prove fatal for them.



There's no law against using more than one dog and almost livestock farmers use multiple dogs. We have 6 LGD's dogs

I have heard the largest male wolf trapped in the lower 48 states was 95 pounds. A normal adult male Kangal is 1 1/2 times larger. That's the same proportional size difference between 150 pound man and and 8 year old, 60 pound kid. The lower 48 average sizes for wolves are around 60 for males and 50 for females. That's 1/4 to 1/5 the size of a male Kangal or 25% and 20% of their body mass.

Keith

So what if a domestic dog or dogs kill a wolf? Is it illegal?

Wow, that is a lot bigger dog than I thought from what I read on Wikipedia by twice.

The way our legal system works today, I'm sure the owner of the dog(s) would be liable and wind up with a huge fine and/or jail time.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/code/misc/chr/lrb_filed/cr_05_004_final_rule_filed_with_lrb

"The Wisconsin wolf population has increased from just 25 animals in 1980 to 373 in 2004. From 1985 to
1998 wolf damage payments ranged from $200.00 to $12, 000.00 per year. Wolf damage payments from
1999 to 2004 have averaged $43,800 per year"


I found a different reference that DNR was budgeting 80K for dog payouts at up to 2500 each

this is a HOT issue in WI

wolf orgs say that hunters "let" the wolves kill their dogs, blaming the victim, saying they let them be killed to get the payment like they are actually making money on this.
they are @#$%^&*() idiots , 2500 is nothing to have in a hunting dog , heck a 6 month old pup of a not very expensive bird dog just in vet and purchase price is already at or over 2500.
2500 doesn't go very far towards vet bills at all if your stitching up an attacked dog.
these are 1985 prices that never moved with inflation. just running an inflation calculator 1985 to today 7,165.82 is the equivalent of 2500 in 1985.

you have seen the video it takes seconds

You don't think wolves get seriously hurt trying to kill moose?

P.S. I didn't even mention brown and black bears.

The MN DNR estimates there are about 2500 wolves in MN. Hunters for Hunters estimates that number is closer to 10,000.

Everything a wolf does is based on a risk-reward balance. If a wolf has enough food, he has not need to attack something that can potentially cause him harm. I'll bet a wolf would rather live on rabbits if there were enough to go around. They will take whatever reward offers the least risk. A cow moose might kick the crap out of them. But if there are no other options, then they will certainly attack a full grown male moose or Caribou even though there is risk in getting injured by the antlers.

I don't know about brown bears, but I do know they often attack black bears, especially cubs. But my gut tells me that they are more likely to attack bears when there are not many deer around.

I Have no idea which of those numbers is correct, but my guess is that it's quite a bit higher than 2,500. What I do know is that Minnesota is a breeding ground for wolves that are leaving the state for other states and Canada because the numbers of wolves in Minnesota are high.

The lack of understanding of hounds and hound hunting is astounding. Maybe understandable coming from urban folk with no exposure outside city limits, but the stuff you hear on this site at times is rediculous.

Allowing hounds to hunt? Hounds being out of your immediate control? What the - have good cat, bear, coon, fox, and rabbit hounds been bred and trained over multiple generations to do if not track, trail or tree game out of your immediate control, often for extended periods of time?

Are hound hunters supposed to just give up this multigenerational tradition because some sudo-environmentalist, wolf lovers oppose managing this species at reasonable responsible levels? Ol' Blue and that pack of beagles should just live out the rest of their lives in the kennel?

From what I've read wolves regularly eat each other when the prey gets short. If the wolves natural prey ever gets short in the lower 48 I'd think we'd really start seeing serious problems

Wolves are viewd as one step to eliminate hunting and ranching by some

You wont find too much to hunt if there are lots of wolves in an area.

Not to get off subject but. I got a bobcat tag this year first season. the amout of wolves I see on cam and on deer stands made me wonder, what would be left if i caught a cat. Does anyone loose cats in legholds to wolves or coyotes ?

Keith they won't let them out of turkey, and here they are being watered down with Anatolian shepherds. My worry is we plan on having g events and educational classes and programs and it was bad enough when I was at one such even at another farm and watched a 3 year old get away from his talking mother and find a strong hot wire. The youngster was heading to the animals on the other side. I was surprised they left the hot wire on knowing they had people coming out but they did. A protective dog may be a bigger issue.

Yes along with a combomulation of regulations Our DNR has so many game digests full of contradictory terms they can't afford to print them anymore

Same with our "sinopsis"

Some of those videos are hard to watch. Personally, I’d love to single handedly kill every wolf in the lower 48. They’re about as useful to me as ticks or mosquitoes.